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On 3 Jun 2011, at 17:15, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote:

> 
> On Jun 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> 
>> On 03/06/2011 16:43, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Please see Simon Phipps' email earlier today that contained a very similar 
>>>> suggestion with some more detail, it would be nice to bring these two 
>>>> threads together.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon's email, from what I can tell, boils down to:
>>> 
>>>  1. The podling goes along as suggested.
>>>  2. The TDF continues business as usual.
>> 
>> 
>> I read it differently and more like what was proposed in this thread.
>> 
>> The podling goes along as suggested and TDF continues to provide essential 
>> support to existing users of the the end user product that is currently 
>> called OpenOffice.org to some and LibreOffice to others).
>> 
> 
> But what of the *development* of the code?

Ahhh... Yes I see something missing from Simons mail here. I assumed that the 
LibreOffice distribution would gradually migrate to using the core components 
proposed here (Apache ODFSuite as Simin called it) and thus collaboration on 
those components would also migrate here. 

> If business-as-usual
> is both sides independently developing the codebase, then
> how does that address what is, I guess, a main issue?

It doesn't help if there are two code bases, but if one project focusses  on 
building permissively licensed core components that are needed in productivity 
apps in general then collaboration can happen on those components. 

LibreOffice can continue to build an LGPL office suite (using those core 
components and their build infrastructure) and others can continue to build  
their own end user products under whatever license they choose (which might 
include a permissively licences end user product here). 

If I understand correctly the donations from Oracle are not going to enable us 
to build an appropriately licenced end user product without significant work. 
Furthermore, the proposal and various press releases seem to indicate that A 
key focus of this project will be componentisation of the code base making it 
easier to reuse. 

> Is the
> idea that the ASF contribute code which is then consumed
> by TDF and that any patches to TDF remain unaccessible to
> the ASF? Does this result in the communities driving closer
> together or farther apart?

My hope is that the benefits of collaboration over maintaining a fork will 
bring us closer together. I realise this means copyleft only folk have to come 
towards us for this to work.  Certainly some people who don't like permissive 
licenses will never do this. I hope there are enough who see collaboration as 
being the right option. 

I may be being naive, I prefer to think I'm an optimist. 


However, maybe your right. Maybe I'm trying to link two ideas that should be 
kept separate so they can be evaluated separately. 

Ross


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