Niall Pemberton wrote:
On Jan 23, 2008 11:26 AM, Simon Kitching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Niall Pemberton schrieb:
On Jan 23, 2008 7:23 AM, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Niall
Asking someone politely to rename the package is hardly throwing our
weight around.
Well you were talking about "need to change the package name" and
"rigorous protection" rather than some kind of "hey we'd prefer
it...".
If people are so keen on *protecting* apache in this way then rather
than starting with a failed incubator project, then how about this
stuff:
https://glassfish.dev.java.net/source/browse/glassfish/appserv-webtier/src/java/org/apache/
Again, that is a bit different from the original TCIK issue. It
*appears* that here they are not doing this in order to *distribute* a
forked copy of tomcat, but instead to support tomcat as an alternative
internal servlet-engine implementation within their own j2ee server. In
other words, I would think that:
(a) you could not normally download this code except by downloading the
entire glassfish server, and
(b) they are not actively developing this code to add new features
(forking) but simply adding a few patches to make it integrate better
with Glassfish.
The alternate implementations of commons-logging have also been
mentioned in this thread. This is not the same IMO. Commons-logging is
both an API and an implementation. People should be able to provide
alternate implementations of an API, and that is what slf4j are doing
for example; they are not providing a "patched" or "forked"
commons-logging, but instead a complete alternative implementation, and
are distributing just the minimum amount of code to provide the same api
to users.
So:
* distributing a few classes in order to implement an apache API : ok
* distributing a copy of apache code for the convenience of users of a
larger package, perhaps with a few minor tweaks for better integration: ok
* publishing code to the world which bears no resemblance to code
approved by the ASF: not ok
My advice to anyone - read the license yourself, take advice if you
feel you need it and ignore all the stuff being spouted here:
http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html#redistribution
That would be my feeling too. The license pretty much allows people to
do whatever they want with the code and the package name is part of the
code.
-> richard
Niall
All this just just my opinion of course..
Regards,
Simon
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