Eric, > I realize we may have created some difficulties in merging two existing > projects - Celtix from ObjectWeb and Xfire from Codehaus
> But we are nonetheless simply trying to do the right thing, not > stacking the deck to control the project. OK, let's please stop right here. At least in this discussion, no one has said anything about that, at least to my notice. I intentionally renamed these threads to get away from CeltiXFire, and a number of the issues that I've mentiond in this thread have had nothing to do with CeltiXFire. For example, as far as I know, we didn't have a third party company stuffing their employees onto "someone else's" initial committer list. But these things have happened in the past. As I just wrote to Berin, a major goal of my proposing some changes to the bootstrap is to help manage the Initial Committer List FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE INCOMING COMMUNITY. I never suggested anything about limiting legitimate members of the incoming community to participate, and would consider such a thing to be very very wrong. I want to give the incoming community the opportunity to decide for itself whom those people are. And the "sign-up" sheet approach has been somewhat of a problem in that regard. So my proposal was about replacing the sign-up sheet with a process where the people involved in the community told us whom should be a Committer. The whole thing about binding votes is a technical matter, and can largely be ignored if the votes reflect the will of the community. --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]