If the purpose was to facilitate lawsuits, and these lawsuits haven’t occurred 
after all these years, it seems like it didn’t work. Maybe you are wrong about 
the intent?

Aaron

> On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:50 AM, Christopher Dimech <dim...@gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I know that Apple can make some strong ownership claims.  Also Red Hat,
> but I consider it minimal.  Apple has a very long history of aggressive
> legal actions. 
> 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 7:24 PM
>> From: "Aaron Gyes" <aaron...@icloud.com>
>> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dim...@gmx.com>
>> Subject: Re: A suggestion for going forward from the RMS/FSF debate
>> 
>> Can you tell me about some of the lawsuits that resulted?
>> 
>> –
>> Aaron
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:08 AM, Christopher Dimech <dim...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 5:46 PM
>>>> From: "Aaron Gyes" <aaron...@icloud.com>
>>>> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dim...@gmx.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: A suggestion for going forward from the RMS/FSF debate
>>>> 
>>>>> Furthermore, it continues to nullify the Apache License by allowing patent
>>>>> treachery.  The LLVM License is thus a perfidious license intended to
>>>>> allow the licensor to sue you at their choosing.=
>>>> 
>>>> “Patent treachery”? And the intent of the license is to... accommodate 
>>>> lawsuits?
>>> 
>>> Correct.   The Apache License included certain patent termination and 
>>> counterclaim provisions, made void and null by the LLVM Exceptions.  
>>> Originally, the LLVM License
>>> was based on the two free software licenses - the X11 license and the 
>>> 3-clause BSD license.  By 2005, Apple managed to hamstring the project by 
>>> hiring Chris Lattner
>>> and giving him a team to work on LLVM.
>>> 
>>>> That’s some very motivated reasoning you’re doing right there.
>>>> 
>>>> Aaron
>> 

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