Harris wasn’t a candidate of the left she was a moderate applying the technique of triangulation to get elected to keep our institutions from being abused and damaged by an inappropriate candidate. I’m not sure what else she could have done short of finding a way to push Biden out earlier. As for me, I’m not shedding any liberal tears. In a way I’m looking forward to how Trump will betray his voters and the suffering they will feel at his hands. They certainly deserve it.
From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen <geprope...@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 6:58 AM To: friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die Just for reference, my antifa friends don't recognize any difference. Nothing's changed from yesterday to today. And while that may seem myopic, there's a lot of truth to it. Harris is fairly right-leaning with her record as a prosecutor in CA, position on fracking, failure to denounce the actions of Israel, etc. The local antifa has been active in things like blocking ports of entry (particularly for Boeing-related shipments and such). DDoSecrets has been steadily accumulating data from bad actors. Unicorn Riot consistently publishes about ongoing abuse of indigenous communities. Etc. W.r.t. deeper changes, a break from status quo *liberalism* (the main boogeyman of the lefties), could be hastened by another Trump term. I see it as an opportunity for actual lefty strategists (as opposed to a warmed over righty like Harris) to design a [de|re]construction plan similar to Project 2025, but for sane people. Literally *any* of the tactics used by the Trump backers could be used by an organized effort from the left. But the problem is that those with the real strategy skills aren't revolutionaries. As Eric lays out, they're too addicted to the institutional game to strategize around or to blast through institutions. That's what makes the tiny antifa efforts like blocking ports (for a tiny few hours) or breaking windows on main street seem so stupid and indulgent, like the temper tantrums of an undisciplined child. And in this regard, I join both my antifa friends and my MAGA friends in scoffing at the liberal tears. If you actually want change, then buck up and make it happen. Politics is not a day job you leave at the office at 6pm. Granted, I'm a tourist in both of those groups - all groups, actually, and would be happier if Harris had won. But being a tourist allows me to say such things without too much hypocrisy. On 11/6/24 02:55, Santafe wrote: > A change that I think can happen, and I don’t know how fully it can change in > four years, which is the time to find out whether the whole electoral system > and federal judiciary can be completely rewired, is that Americans become a > lot more like Russians. Small, localized, and trying to hunker down and get > through one’s own little day and little life, and not be visible enough to > become a target for anything. Everything that is a problem and that needs to > change, is a problem because it brings together a lot of actors. To change, > it needs coordinated commitments. That’s what wasn’t great in the U.S. > already, but gets very very hard in an atomized society. I do expect the > bullying and belligerent behavior from the MAGA faction, which has already > been getting systematically worse over the past 9 years, to undergo a large > increase. Maybe by about the same factor as cannabis use increased when it > got legalized, and for sort of similar reasons. There will continue to be > people who don’t like it, as there are now, and as there are lots of Chinese > who still have global and humane views and don’t like the rise of > belligerence being driven in their society, but aren’t doing anything > effective against it. > -- ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam <https://bit.ly/virtualfriam> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ <https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/>
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