Hmmmm! I wonder how Glenn would react to our requesting him to play this game. I hate it because it depends so powerfully on the meanings of the words in the question but I love it because it gives me a number. And of course because of the company it puts me in. Who couldn’t enjoy a game that puts me in the same space as Ludvig Wittgenstein Glen, will you play? Just for kicks! { "currentVector": { "deterministic": 0.5, "reductionism": 0.5, "empiricism": 1, "materialism": 1, "teleology": 0.01 }, "closestPhilosophers": [ { "name": "Daniel Dennett", "cosineDistance": "0.04" }, { "name": "Werner Heisenberg", "cosineDistance": "0.05" }, { "name": "David Hume", "cosineDistance": "0.05" }, { "name": "Niels Bohr", "cosineDistance": "0.05" }, { "name": "Ludwig Wittgenstein", "cosineDistance": "0.05" } ] } Sent from my Dumb Phone On Aug 7, 2024, at 2:12 PM, Stephen Guerin <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> wrote: Nick, How do we think about "Telos"? I can't help myself - "Dan wheel out our one-trick TensorPony" :-) Nick, this time you need to give us your tensor wrt to the philosophers and scientists that have discussed telos according to Dan so I can get a sense of where you are coming from. Copy and paste your result here. And then you can suggest other dimensions or questions to ask to modify the space. https://guerin.acequia.io/telosTensor.html <image.png> Dan picked these folks to establish the spanning set of the space. Philosophers and Scientists on TelosAristotle: Introduced the concept of telos, arguing that everything in nature has a purpose or goal it strives to achieve, which is fundamental to understanding natural processes. David Bohm: Proposed the theory of the implicate order, suggesting a deeper, orderly reality underlying apparent randomness, resonating with teleological thinking. Ludwig Boltzmann: Focused on statistical mechanics and the behavior of gases, emphasizing probabilistic interactions without invoking purpose. Jean-Paul Sartre: Proposed the existentialist view that life has no inherent meaning, and that individuals must create their own purpose, avoiding teleological explanations. Michel Foucault: Analyzed power, knowledge, and discourse, focusing on societal structures without invoking teleological explanations, instead emphasizing historical and social processes. Richard Feynman: Known for a pragmatic and non-teleological approach to physics, emphasizing mathematical descriptions of physical phenomena without resorting to purpose or goal-directed explanations. Immanuel Kant: Distinguished between appearances and the noumenal world, arguing that teleological judgments are heuristic and do not reflect the actual nature of reality. Max Planck: Believed in a fundamental consciousness underlying reality, stating that all matter originates and exists by virtue of a force governed by a conscious and intelligent mind, suggesting a teleological dimension. Erwin Schrödinger: Explored the fundamental order and purpose in living systems in his work, suggesting that physical laws govern biological processes with an underlying direction. Daniel Dennett: Rejected teleological explanations in favor of evolutionary and mechanistic accounts of consciousness and cognition. Friedrich Nietzsche: Rejected teleological explanations, emphasizing that life and the universe do not have inherent purposes or goals, and critiqued teleological views as human projections. Roger Penrose: Proposed ideas about the cyclical nature of the universe and the role of consciousness in quantum processes, hinting at a purposeful direction in both physical and mental realms. Thomas Aquinas: Integrated Aristotle's ideas into Christian theology, emphasizing that everything in nature has a purpose designed by God. Albert Einstein: Believed in an underlying order and simplicity in the universe, often speaking of the universe as comprehensible and governed by rational principles, which can imply a teleological perspective. Ilya Prigogine: His work on dissipative structures suggests that systems self-organize into ordered states, implying a form of goal-directed evolution toward complexity. John Archibald Wheeler: Suggested that observers play a role in bringing the universe into existence, hinting at a teleological aspect where the universe's structure is influenced by the presence of observers. Karl Marx: Rejected teleological views of history, emphasizing material conditions and class struggles as the drivers of historical change. Stephen Guerin: Explored the idea of autocatalytic processes in the universe's self-organization, indicating a teleological aspect to the evolution of complexity and structure. Hans Jonas: Argued that living organisms exhibit a fundamental purposiveness and that life itself has an inherent teleological nature. Henri Poincaré: Analyzed celestial mechanics and dynamical systems, focusing on deterministic chaos and system behavior without teleological implications. James Clerk Maxwell: Developed equations describing electromagnetic fields in a purely mathematical way, without implying any teleological purpose. Jacques Derrida: Emphasized the instability of meaning and critiqued metaphysical systems that impose teleological structures on language and thought. John Archibald Wheeler: Suggested that observers play a role in bringing the universe into existence, hinting at a teleological aspect where the universe's structure is influenced by the presence of observers. Ludwig Wittgenstein: Focused on the use of language and meaning derived from its context, avoiding metaphysical explanations that imply purpose or goal-directedness. Niels Bohr: Emphasized probabilistic outcomes in quantum mechanics, grounded in empirical observations and avoiding teleological interpretations. Paul Dirac: Developed quantum mechanics and quantum field theory with a focus on mathematical formalisms, describing particle behavior without implying purpose. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin: Proposed an evolutionary teleology where the universe and life progress toward greater complexity and consciousness, culminating in the Omega Point. Richard Feynman: Developed the path integral formulation, suggesting that the universe selects the path that minimizes action, which can be seen as a mathematical form of goal-directed behavior. Stuart Kauffman: Proposed that the universe and life self-organize through autocatalytic processes, indicating a teleological aspect to the development of complexity and order. Thomas Aquinas: Integrated Aristotle's ideas into Christian theology, emphasizing that everything in nature has a purpose designed by God. Werner Heisenberg: Described fundamental limits on measurement and predictability through the uncertainty principle, avoiding any notion of purpose in physical systems. Here's my result copied using the "copy my Elos Tensor" button on the page showing the closest philosopher/scientists to me, according to Dan. <image.png> { "currentVector": { "deterministic": 0.1, "reductionism": 0.1, "empiricism": 0.1, "materialism": 0.1, "teleology": 1 }, "closestPhilosophers": [ { "name": "Stephen Guerin", "cosineDistance": "0.00" }, { "name": "Aristotle", "cosineDistance": "0.23" }, { "name": "Plato", "cosineDistance": "0.25" }, { "name": "David Bohm", "cosineDistance": "0.30" }, { "name": "Ilya Prigogine", "cosineDistance": "0.32" } ] } On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 3:09 PM Nicholas Thompson <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote:
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