< Ha! Yeah right. So there's obviously zero reason to understand who did what and who achieved what. So we would be equally effective giving a trillion bucks to Dr. Phil as we would Musk, because it doesn't matter who did what. Why care about who gets the credit? Why care who did what? Just pass out the assets willy nilly. Yeah, that's the ticket. While we're at it, we should defund historians and burn all the books. No point in storing any of that. We can give all the resources we burn tracking that junk to Musk and he'll dole it out appropriately. >
I think what happens is that these organizations are made up of some very smart people and they defect from time to time to go to competitors. Or they are just lost in a massive organization and have a decent income and do work that interests them and that rubs off on their friends and family in a looser cultural way. Among the union of all these employees and their managers is a gestalt and zeitgest about what some important problems are. This I hope transcends the celebrity culture at the veneer. In terms of credit, there's enough to ensure as people move around between employers or start their own companies that smart and/or hard-working people are recognized as such. There is a driver for technology companies at least, in that for it to be sustainable it must work at some level. To make things work people with knowledge and skill are needed. I am dubious about history. I think it is written after the winners win, and we'll never really know the most interesting stories. Marcus ________________________________ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen <geprope...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 11:15 AM To: friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi Ha! Yeah right. So there's obviously zero reason to understand who did what and who achieved what. So we would be equally effective giving a trillion bucks to Dr. Phil as we would Musk, because it doesn't matter who did what. Why care about who gets the credit? Why care who did what? Just pass out the assets willy nilly. Yeah, that's the ticket. While we're at it, we should defund historians and burn all the books. No point in storing any of that. We can give all the resources we burn tracking that junk to Musk and he'll dole it out appropriately. On 1/28/22 10:05, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The world isn't fair, yep. > -- > It's amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit > -- Harry Truman > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen > <geprope...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, January 28, 2022 11:03 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi > Right. That's my point. The companies (actually the people in those > companies) have accomplished things. And to whatever extent Musk puts aside > his celebrity and does actual work, he gets credit for that *work*. But it's > no different from Winfrey, Paltrow, and Mercola ... or the anti-vax, vax guy > Malone. All these celebrities do both good and bad. What they have in common > is the accumulation of wealth and then the spending of that wealth in a > persnickety and privatized way. As you said, "the government is dead". So why > weren't you facilitating the storming of the capitol? If you feel the Musks, > Trumps, and Winfreys of the world do a better job than agencies like NASA, > then you're in good company with the MAGA crowd. Musk 2024! > > On 1/28/22 09:53, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> But Musk's companies have accomplished things. Tesla has built great >> electric cars with a vast charging network, is doing advanced applied >> machine learning work, and developing advanced computing systems. Space X >> created a cheap orbital launch capability. You saw the part about them >> landing rockets? I think Space X probably really will mass produce >> reusable massive lift vehicles and use them to put infrastructure on Mars. >> I would rather see more Teslas than GMs. >> >> He's not like Holmes. Sure, for some reason he bought some earth boring >> equipment. That one is weird! And he has incomprehensible, probably >> nonsensical, politics. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen >> <geprope...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 28, 2022 10:24 AM >> *To:* friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi >> Well, I can't speak for scientists or engineers. But the reason he (and his >> kind) are irritating to me is because they amass their wealth spouting >> bullshit that dupes people into giving them money. Then, of course, when you >> spend a hell of a lot of money, *something* good will come of it. It's like >> all the spinoff tech from the Star Wars program. >> >> Citing "Musk" all the time is just more celebrity business networker >> marketing nonsense. The good that comes from amassing and spending lots of >> money comes from the people who execute, not the celebrity. The celebrity >> that conned people out of the money in the first place might be given some >> credit. But then how do we distinguish between Musk and, say, Gwyneth >> Paltrow? Or worse, Musk and quacks like Joseph Mercola? Paltrow and Mercola >> have done just as much good for the world as Musk has. Tech dorks simply >> deify Musk over Mercola because of their focus on tech. But it's all snake >> oil. Oprah Winfrey is a better example, I guess. We can see her conman >> offspring in Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil. And the good that's come from that wealth >> accumulation is, perhaps, clearer than that from the Star Wars program. But >> there's plenty of bad there, too. I feel sorry for those who identify the >> good that's done with the celebrity, then refuse to identify the bad that's >> done with that celebrity. >> >> >> On 1/28/22 09:05, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> I can sort of see why Musk is annoying to scientists because he tends to >>> use ideas and technology that already exist. >>> So, what is he really adding? Neuralink is in this category. That >>> company is making the technology work at a larger scale and at lower power >>> and making the surgery repeatable. The company (not him) is making it >>> practical and approaching it like a product. Some scientists are prone to >>> thinking that engineering is a not a thing or that a product mindset is >>> just superficial. Or even that money doesn't matter. >>> >>> I'm less enamored with Musk's futurism than I am appalled at tunnel vision, >>> overspecialization, and risk aversion of so many others. The annoyance >>> people have at Musk can only be because they must acknowledge his >>> influence. And seeing that influence they conclude he is somehow >>> responsible for the world in the way that, say, Joe Biden is responsible >>> for the world. Or as Feynman put it, “You have no responsibility to live >>> up to what other people think you ought to accomplish. I have no >>> responsibility to be like they expect me to be. It's their mistake, not my >>> failing.” What would be the point of being a billionaire if you couldn't >>> at least be the dork you want to be? >>> >>> Before Space X had customers and a track record, there were all the NASA >>> old fogies saying he'd be killing people and he could not possibly do it. >>> Am I glad to see them so wrong? Yes. It is not because he is the best or >>> some Tony Stark. It is because they are the worst. >>> -- glen Theorem 3. There exists a double master function. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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