The algorithm recommended this to me this morning:

The Tesla Semi Is An Engineering Failure
https://youtu.be/w__a8EcM2jI

I can't help but wonder if electric ships run down any differently. Oh, and the 
algorithm recommended these 2 companies yesterday:

https://www.zeroavia.com/
https://wisk.aero/

I suppose the question is largely about "just in time" versus "just in case" 
supply chains. Batteries spread a spectrum between them. Fuel cells plug some holes in their span, 
I suppose.  Maybe we should have nuclear trucks and ships? Who wouldn't want a bunch of tiny 
reactors trolling the [high|water]ways? As long as we replace the amphetamine fueled humans with 
autonomous controls, I guess.

On 1/27/22 12:39, Marcus Daniels wrote:
The tankers come and go from Richmond day after day.   This is how the energy 
in the U.S. really works.

*From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
*Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2022 12:32 PM
*To:* friam@redfish.com
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

In California there is a movement (ballot initiative I think) that will 
basically put the billion dollar rooftop solar industry out of business by 
giving public utilities exclusive rights for green power in the form of wind  
farms and large solar arrays. Keeps the inefficient distribution grid that they 
own in business as well.

davew

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022, at 12:24 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

    Steve,

    In the Bay Area, and in other places there is a trend toward 
electrification.  It sounds plausible on the surface, but to go all the way 
means solar for water and for electricity.  Most houses within financial reach 
for most people don't have the square footage to support all that.   Consider 
that a smaller electric on-demand hot water heater could draw 75 amps flat out. 
  There's no reasonable way to get lithium batteries that can absorb that kind 
of load.   That would be $50k just to even start on the batteries never mind 
the panels.   If not that, then one must give up (often limited) lot space for 
the tube style solar, which really isn't all that efficient.

    The "freedom from the utility" is just not going to happen except in the 
posh South San Francisco type areas.   Meanwhile the utilities want to penalize 
individual solar producers because they stress the grid.

    Meanwhile, if the price of gasoline goes north of $5 / gallon, people are 
screaming bloody murder.   Why isn't it $20?   No, these folks (which is mostly 
everyone it seems) aren't going to be joining the 2000-watt society.   And then 
there's the Manchin types holding out to keep *coal* afloat?   Don't we just 
deserve to suffer at this point?  At least we could try but fail to develop and 
deploy replacements.   That non-fiction would be interesting reading.

    Marcus

    
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    *From:*Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on behalf 
of Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>>
    *Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2022 12:15 PM
    *To:* friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> <friam@redfish.com 
<mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

    Marcus -

    Thanks for your feedback on KSR's writing style... it really sobered me to 
realize how much of an obsessionist I am on this topic and what I will ignore 
to feed that obsession.

    I tripped over (thank you Google News Feed) an interesting article in Grist:

        
https://grist.org/climate/with-the-world-on-fire-climate-fiction-no-longer-looks-like-fantasy/
 
<https://grist.org/climate/with-the-world-on-fire-climate-fiction-no-longer-looks-like-fantasy/>

    that resonated with my reflections.   While I do feel a little obsessive on the topic (not just 
climate but all the convergent "endogenous existential threats" coming at us),  I feel 
somewhat balanced about it, especially as I graze on the buffets that books like MotF and 
Stephenson's Termination Shock and Amithav Ghosh's "Great Derangement" offer.   I also 
found William Gibson's Jackpot Series:

        https://www.wired.co.uk/article/william-gibson-agency 
<https://www.wired.co.uk/article/william-gibson-agency>

    refreshing (for a dystopia) with our myriad existential threats (climate, species, 
pollution, finance, civil unrest, fascism, etc.) converging on a bit of a (nasty) 
wet-fizzle of an apocalypse he sardonically dubs "The Jackpot".

    The Grist article describes (somewhat) the value of keeping one's eye on 
the dystopian/apocalyptic future threatened by our short-sighted habits and 
(overly optimistic?) conceptions of the future generated by our materialistic 
pop-culture.

    Someone here (Marcus, Glen, EricS ?) mentioned Musk and the idea that he might be 
pursuing the canonical "Good Old Fashioned Future" coined in the Golden Age and 
refashioned in the Modern Era of Science Fiction.    We boomers (and Xers?) who went into 
Sci/Tech likely read at least a lot of Marvel/DC comics (if not the Science Fiction 
without pictures) of our era and I claim it heavily shaped our image of what was 
possible/desireable.    I don't think it is serving us (Gaia of whom we are her most 
precocious children?)

    - Steve

        On 1/25/22 5:58 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

            < It might not surprise anyone here that I have become a CliFi obsessionist with 
Kim Stanly Robinson's stuff well represented ("Ministry for the Future" standing out 
well above the others).  His Red/Green/Blue Mars series is a good complement with the 
social/technological/spiritual implications of Terraforming there. >

            Huh.  I found MftF drawn-out and boring with distracting little 
nonsense chapters interleaved.   I don’t see why it is popular.   A few good 
ideas here and there but couldn’t care less about the characters.  It could be 
massively compressed.

        That would be *all* of KSR's novels I'm afraid...  my obsession with 
the ideas (unanticipated problems as well as unanticipated responses) trumps 
any need I have for being entertained by the characters or even plot.

        It really read to me (as you point out) as a series of loosely 
connected vignettes of specific interest.   To the extent that *some* of the 
MoTF characters did get under my skin, it was as an irritant as much as 
anything.   I probably read Red Mars when it was new as my introduction to KSR 
and did not go back to his writing until as little as 5 years ago when I found 
his topics more relevant than I had acknowledged before...  He seemed to me to 
be a lot preachy and I guess now I'm enough of the choir to be able to hum 
along with his sermons now.

        Stephenson also gets very tedious for me, but I find his depth of 
research and quirkiness of characters and technical surprises worthy of my 
attention through his gruelingly long and seemingly careening storylines and 
characters.


--
glen
Theorem 3. There exists a double master function.

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