I was a user of Soylent for a while.  A problem with it is that it uses rice 
flour that spoils.  What’s the point of it if you have to worry about 
preparation and its integrity?  I want to pop in a battery my leg and be good 
to go!

From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:21 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence



On 9/22/21 12:00 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Steve writes:

< Is it a single spectrum?   I propose a few components:

  1.  Self Exploration
  2.  Creativity Enhancement
  3.  Medicating for Social Anxiety
  4.  Medicating for Depression
  5.  Self Identity/Expression
  6.  Avoidance
  7.  ...
>
Being a vegan, for example, is an inconvenience and one will tend to impact a 
group.   Not participating in the hedonism around you will make you stick out.

I was fairly pure vegetarian from age 14-32.  I eased out of Vegetarianism by 
eating meat whenever it was served and not "sharing" my vegetarianism overtly, 
it was definitely making me "stick out" and I didn't enjoy the conversations I 
usually had around it with both vegetarians and non-vegetarians.    I am now 
back to mostly vegetarian with a lean toward veganism, based mostly on my 
broadening empathy with all living things and my growing distaste for all 
things mega-industrial (agri-industry, animal edition especially) and the 
implications for the health of the biosphere (and maybe more acutely, the 
noosphere).   To most, this probably just seems like knee-jerk bleeding-heart  
ned-ludd-channeling tedium.

My peers are no longer whigged by any dietary preference/restriction I might 
express (though I try to keep my dietary preferences to myself).  They don't 
even blink at anyone eschewing anything...  Alcohol, sugar, gluten, caffiene,  
meat products, animal products, orange colored food, GMO, non-GMO, etc.   For 
health/vitality reasons, I have tried a number of dietary restrictions 
(metabolism and inflammation related) so do occasionally have to "eat around" 
what is served/offered as quietly as possible (or more likely just stick to a 
green salad and water which is almost always available and almost always fits 
any dietary restriction).

I'm surprised you would have no takers on a GMO-positive food club.  I have a 
number of acquaintances who lean heavily into the food-replacement (e.g Huel) 
and even synthetic food game.

https://huel.com/

https://www.eater.com/2019/5/14/18623258/impossible-foods-synthetic-lab-grown-meat-science

I'm still haunted by the spectre of Soylent Green.

I'll opt for continuing to dabble in home gardening, aquaponics, and raising 
egg-laying chickens.



From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com><mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> On 
Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:53 AM
To: friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence





Generation X are heavy, risky drinkers. Will anything ever persuade us to stop?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/22/generation-x-heavy-drinkers-will-anything-persuade-us-to-stop



"There’s one other factor: the odiousness of comparison. Or, to put that more 
simply, generation X was never that extreme, it’s just the millennials, or 
generation sensible, are making us look bad. They drink less overall, and are 
more likely to renounce drinking altogether. Generation Z drink less still ..."

At least among some subcultures, Generation B(oomer) were much more alcohol 
abusing, not only in our youth (I turned 18 not long after the drinking age was 
(temporarily) reduced to 18 or 19 in many states), but in our "middle-age" (day 
drinkers) and into our twilight years as high functioning (or low-demand) 
alcoholics.  At least you X-drinkers had craft brew to hide behind, we were 
arguing over Coors vs Budweiser or lauding the praises of 40oz Schlitz Malt 
Liquor (for lunch?).

"People are so cynical: they say millennials are just taking drugs or smoking 
weed instead. But that’s not the case: we’ve seen declines in all drug use."





If anything makes me worry about the future of society, it's this Puritanism 
infecting our youngsters. Alcohol is poison. But the other drugs are much less 
so. Maybe, just maybe, we'll see loosening of controls (like marijuana, X, and 
psi) and that will allow DIY body modification, implants, and such to flower. 
It's important to see it as a spectrum.

Is it a single spectrum?   I propose a few components:

  1.  Self Exploration
  2.  Creativity Enhancement
  3.  Medicating for Social Anxiety
  4.  Medicating for Depression
  5.  Self Identity/Expression
  6.  Avoidance
  7.  ...











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