*Frank, did you study with John Searle in the 60s at Cal?*
I never took a course from him but, as Nick and I have mentioned, he was important in the Free Speech Movement as a mediator between the Administration and the leaders of the Movement. As such I heard him speak on multiple occasions. I was a philosophy major for a time but I took logic and history courses that were required for the major before I changed to math. Nick's complaint that he didn't know whose side he was on seems like a good quality for a mediator. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 8:56 PM Stephen Guerin <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> wrote: > Jochen, > > The Chinese have a famous thought experiment called the "John Searle > Room" (虚构研究员, 1984). > > Take the living John Searle, and place him in a sealed closed room. In a > short time, he is no longer alive, has no cognition, no consciousness, and > certainly no soul. Place a common conception of a robot in the same closed > room (not isolated) and it will continue to function. According to Searle's > Chinese > Room <https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/chinese-room/>, the robot as a > mere symbol manipulator has no true cognition, no understanding. Nor does > it display consciousness nor a soul. > > We've come to understand living processes as necessarily open and > far-from-equilibrium with "life" being a decentralized property of the > system. MIght cognition, consciousness, and soul (however defined) as > higher-level properties necessarily be decentralized properties, too? > > - Stephen > > P.S. Didn't realize John Searle had his Emeritus status stripped from UC > Berkeley for violating the Sexual Harassment policy > <https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katiejmbaker/john-searle-complaints-uc-berkeley>. > Frank, did you study with John Searle in the 60s at Cal? > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 2:45 PM Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote: > >> I have watched John Searle videos on YouTube today and stumbled upon the >> question of personality again. If we assume that there is a special >> substance that makes us a person, can an advanced robot or AI acquire it? >> Can a robot be lazy, diligent, dull, intelligent, friendly, nit-picky or >> even creative? John Searle would probably say it is not a good question... >> https://youtu.be/Bq2bfSzkTfU >> >> I would say the answer is yes, because if the special substance is simply >> the personality or persistent character of a person, there is no reason why >> a robot should not be able to learn a bundle of typical behavior patterns >> (i.e. special mappings between perceptions and actions) that are >> characteristic for a person, even if this behavior is implemented totally >> differently. The resulting personality helps to define and maintain the >> identity of a person >> https://youtu.be/WwipmspceOU >> >> What do you think? Is there a special substance that makes us a person, >> and can an advanced robot or AI acquire it? >> >> -J. >> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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