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On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote:

 Glen-

Ha! Well, not for me. I'm a technophile. Even more important than drug-induced 
experiences are those induced by other technologies like transcranial magnetic 
stimulation, which I don't regard as fundamentally different from connectivity 
drugs. Implants would be even better for interacting with that hairball of 
[intero|proprio]ceptive feedback loops that compose consciousness as well as 
pain.

I've been dabbling with transcutaneous electro neural stim and electro muscular 
stim (TENS/EMS) primarily for pain and rehab (Mary's recent back/leg 
pain/dysfunction), trying to work it into the VR/AR simulacral artifacts I 
already fiddle with in Visual/Aural/CheapHaptics.

The accessibility of VR/AR gear (HUD/HMD/GPU/CPU) has already overshot my 
wildest dreams of a couple of decades ago   I fiddled with EEG pickups 20 years 
ago but it was too early or at least there was a metaphorical impedance 
mismatch of sorts. I've NOT dabbled with transcranial magnetic stimulation...   
I don't even know if it is accessible.  I am curious (guardedly hopeful) that 
these things are maturing at a pop/commercial level faster/better than at the 
professional level.   There may well be a crowd-sourced ensemble exploration 
underway right now.

Regarding your muscaria/fly agaric aspirations, I'm hearing something more like 
homeopathy or law-of-similars since the "fly" in fly agaric comes from 
etymologically the habit of using it to poison flies by infusing it in milk to 
attract flies.    Maybe this is entirely a tangent (most of my observations 
here *are* tangents?).

- Steve


So, I'll leave the sweat lodges and eating of wiggling things to more 
adventurous types like you. But the drugs need not be orally administered. I've 
always wanted to try to fly by painting myself with muscaria.

On 9/14/21 11:03 AM, Prof David West wrote:


Glen: /Were I fully liberated, I'd be doing a lot more, and a lot more diverse, 
drugs than I do./

Diversity of *_/experiences/_*, not just drugs!!


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