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Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Edward Angel Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 4:43 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion Literally it says “it pleases me” which is the passive voice leading to the question who is “it?" _______________________ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com <mailto:g...@naturesvisualarts.com> > wrote: I'm no grammar expert, even in my native English, but I don't believe "me gusta el cafe" is using passive voice. It literally says "coffee pleases me". Comments, Frank? But then, I may be confused about what passive voice is. On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Angel Edward <edward.an...@gmail.com <mailto:edward.an...@gmail.com> > wrote: Isn’t it a consequence of the routine use of the passive voice in Spanish as in “me gusta” instead of “yo gusto?” The passive voice is pretty much gone in textbooks but I occasionally I get objections from Spanish speakers who claim my textbook can’t be serious because I don’t use the passive voice. Ed __________ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) edward.an...@gmail.com <mailto:edward.an...@gmail.com> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com <mailto:g...@naturesvisualarts.com> > wrote: Despite living in a Spanish speaking country for 12 years, I still struggle mightily with Spanish grammar. This is mainly due to laziness on my part, as well as lack of necessity to immerse myself in the language (there are a lot of English speakers here, not to mention expat groups on Facebook in English). Still, Spanish is *so* much more consistent in all respects than English - pronunciation especially. But the reflexive verbs are still somewhat of a mystery to me. I've wondered exactly the same thing that Frank mentioned: does "the cup fell itself on me" and "the pencil broke itself on mf" represent desire to avoid responsibility? Maybe even blame the victim? Ouch! Your nose nearly broke my fist! On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Tom Johnson <t...@jtjohnson.com <mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com> > wrote: Or the equally famous Spanish phrase, "The pencil broke itself." A phrase which you think I would remember. TJ ============================================ Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com <mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com> Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) <http://nmfog.org/> NM Foundation for Open Government Check out It's The People's Data <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671> ============================================ <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> www.avast.com On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com> > wrote: In Spanish if you drop your cup you say, "See me cayó la taza". A literal word--for-word translation is "The cup fell itself on me". Some people say this is an effort to avoid responsibility. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:01 AM Barry MacKichan <barry.mackic...@mackichan.com <mailto:barry.mackic...@mackichan.com> > wrote: Very much so. We hired a grad student a long time ago (he stayed with us until he retired). He wrote great Pascal programs. He wrote great Pascal programs in C++, and in JavaScript. The effect of your first programming language on style, idioms, and your feelings about recursion and encapsulation. —Barry On 6 Aug 2020, at 23:24, thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: Nah. He means more than that. Even ordinary languages predispose users to one kind of discourse or another. I assume that programming languages do the same. N - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . 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