I'm no grammar expert, even in my native English, but I don't believe "me gusta el cafe" is using passive voice. It literally says "coffee pleases me". Comments, Frank? But then, I may be confused about what passive voice is.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Angel Edward <edward.an...@gmail.com> wrote: > Isn’t it a consequence of the routine use of the passive voice in Spanish > as in “me gusta” instead of “yo gusto?” > > The passive voice is pretty much gone in textbooks but I occasionally I > get objections from Spanish speakers who claim my textbook can’t be serious > because I don’t use the passive voice. > > Ed > __________ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS > Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > 505-984-0136 (home) edward.an...@gmail.com > 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > > On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com> > wrote: > > Despite living in a Spanish speaking country for 12 years, I still > struggle mightily with Spanish grammar. This is mainly due to laziness on > my part, as well as lack of necessity to immerse myself in the language > (there are a lot of English speakers here, not to mention expat groups on > Facebook in English). Still, Spanish is *so* much more consistent in all > respects than English - pronunciation especially. But the reflexive verbs > are still somewhat of a mystery to me. I've wondered exactly the same thing > that Frank mentioned: does "the cup fell itself on me" and "the pencil > broke itself on mf" represent desire to avoid responsibility? Maybe even > blame the victim? Ouch! Your nose nearly broke my fist! > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Tom Johnson <t...@jtjohnson.com> wrote: > >> Or the equally famous Spanish phrase, "The pencil broke itself." A >> phrase which you think I would remember. >> TJ >> >> ============================================ >> Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com >> Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA >> 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) >> *NM Foundation for Open Government* <http://nmfog.org/> >> *Check out It's The People's Data >> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671>* >> >> ============================================ >> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> In Spanish if you drop your cup you say, "See me cayó la taza". A >>> literal word--for-word translation is "The cup fell itself on me". Some >>> people say this is an effort to avoid responsibility. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> --- >>> Frank C. Wimberly >>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>> >>> 505 670-9918 >>> Santa Fe, NM >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:01 AM Barry MacKichan < >>> barry.mackic...@mackichan.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Very much so. We hired a grad student a long time ago (he stayed with >>>> us until he retired). He wrote great Pascal programs. He wrote great Pascal >>>> programs in C++, and in JavaScript. The effect of your first programming >>>> language on style, idioms, and your feelings about recursion and >>>> encapsulation. >>>> >>>> —Barry >>>> >>>> On 6 Aug 2020, at 23:24, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Nah. He means more than that. Even ordinary languages predispose >>>> users to one kind of discourse or another. 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