Isn’t it a consequence of the routine use of the passive voice in Spanish as in “me gusta” instead of “yo gusto?”
The passive voice is pretty much gone in textbooks but I occasionally I get objections from Spanish speakers who claim my textbook can’t be serious because I don’t use the passive voice. Ed __________ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) edward.an...@gmail.com 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com> wrote: > > Despite living in a Spanish speaking country for 12 years, I still struggle > mightily with Spanish grammar. This is mainly due to laziness on my part, as > well as lack of necessity to immerse myself in the language (there are a lot > of English speakers here, not to mention expat groups on Facebook in > English). Still, Spanish is *so* much more consistent in all respects than > English - pronunciation especially. But the reflexive verbs are still > somewhat of a mystery to me. I've wondered exactly the same thing that Frank > mentioned: does "the cup fell itself on me" and "the pencil broke itself on > mf" represent desire to avoid responsibility? Maybe even blame the victim? > Ouch! Your nose nearly broke my fist! > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Tom Johnson <t...@jtjohnson.com > <mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com>> wrote: > Or the equally famous Spanish phrase, "The pencil broke itself." A phrase > which you think I would remember. > TJ > > ============================================ > Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com <mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com> > Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA > 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) > NM Foundation for Open Government <http://nmfog.org/> > Check out It's The People's Data > <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671> > > ============================================ > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> > <x-msg://80/#m_2696335186146636138_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com > <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: > In Spanish if you drop your cup you say, "See me cayó la taza". A literal > word--for-word translation is "The cup fell itself on me". Some people say > this is an effort to avoid responsibility. > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:01 AM Barry MacKichan <barry.mackic...@mackichan.com > <mailto:barry.mackic...@mackichan.com>> wrote: > Very much so. We hired a grad student a long time ago (he stayed with us > until he retired). He wrote great Pascal programs. He wrote great Pascal > programs in C++, and in JavaScript. The effect of your first programming > language on style, idioms, and your feelings about recursion and > encapsulation. > > —Barry > > On 6 Aug 2020, at 23:24, thompnicks...@gmail.com > <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Nah. He means more than that. Even ordinary languages predispose users to > one kind of discourse or another. 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