The only sure way to stop a bully is by force. There are a lot of ways to do that. The weapons labs focus on one. Mostly, the private sector ends-up developing others. It is a conspicuous difference. It is not so far- fetched to me to imagine a future where defense is further privatized, like firefighting is starting to be in California. It sounds terrible but the current situation is pretty bad too.
Marcus On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed but I think Netanyahu is l more likely to nuke Iran than Trump is likely to get away with attacking anyone. ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 8:08 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com<mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't trust any government, especially ours at the present moment, to have any moral compass. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:03 AM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com<mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ... Do you trust them to be as moral as you are? I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians. When I awoke I learned that they were hacking into Burisma. ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 7:43 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com<mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com>> wrote: Sorry, George. There's a bigger picture here. I went to CNLS because I could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more). But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building parts for new nuclear weapons. On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <gtdun...@gmail.com<mailto:gtdun...@gmail.com>> wrote: Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its technical staff are our neighbors. On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: < There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. > I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work. It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe. Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. Marcus ________________________________ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com<mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com>> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! 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Contact us (Greg and Trish in our main office<http://www.lasg.org/contact.htm>, Lydia Clark in our Santa Fe office<mailto:clark4...@msn.com>) This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map<https://goo.gl/maps/ycyfawsEqEYzu3wG9>) -- please come, and please recruit others Dear New Mexico friends – As we have explained in previous letters<http://www.lasg.org/letters/letters.html>, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s). The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.) People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers. If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses. New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area. 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