Yep. Next week I'll be in Boulder at NREL. They are engineers--not scientists--but they have somehow kept going with some terrific work--under the DOE radar.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:40 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > In one e-mail you say that advocates for worthy non-profits have an > obligation to redistribute money from those having ill-gotten gains, but in > this case it “flawed human beings” “belong up on the hill”. It seems > there is an ethical line in your mind after all. This is not to say that > **I** think LANL has ill-gotten gains, but if **you** did, it seems to be > exactly what you were suggesting: As a LANL scientist (~ leader of a > non-profit), one **should** seek a portion of the multi-billion dollar > budget (~ Epstein riches) and do some science (~ good not bad thing) with > it. > > > > It is voters in the US that have given LANL the primary role that it has > had. If voters don’t like that role, they should change their government. > I think voters do like and want that role, because they being a dominant > country in the world. A menacing military helps make it so. Recently, > many voters have been pretty overt about their predatory inclinations, with > Trump’s walls and all that. > > > > LANL is a premier Department of Energy lab that without any huge > structural changes could further advance climate prediction and mitigation, > renewable energy, planetary defense, environmental cleanup, or pretty much > anything. There will be hundreds if not thousands of staff up there that > would love to diversify their priorities if given the opportunity. > > > > Marcus > > *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff < > merlelefk...@gmail.com> > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Date: *Monday, January 13, 2020 at 8:37 PM > *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 > outside SF City Hall; bring friends > > > > Marcus, I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate. I > still wouldn't be O.K. if it were housed in Santa Fe. Nuclear weapons > work--and Lanl is a nuclear weapons laboratory-- whether research or > training or administration doesn't belong anywhere on the planet. But if > it is going to be pursued by flawed human beings, it belongs up on the > hill. As many of us know, and you rightly point out, our local economy is > in a far-from-equilibrium state. Bringing more humane education of some > kind to Santa Fe would provide a tiny bit more balance. > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: > > It would make sense to put an organization like the Center for Nonlinear > Studies in Santa Fe. Academics could fly in to the municipal airport, > give a talk and leave without it being hours more of effort slogging up and > down the hill. Badging could be further streamlined, or maybe just > eliminated. Maybe they could even have public talks as there’d be no need > for security hovering at all times. A lot of foreign nationals don’t stay > to be staff members, as is it advantageous to get a clearance (and a > foreign national cannot). If they diffused into the Santa Fe population, > maybe they’d stay and create start-ups. There is little reason to live in > Los Alamos, as there just is nothing up there, economically speaking, > except the company. (Ok, they have good schools, but that’s it.) Smart > public relations for LANL if they can pull it off. > > > > *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Frank Wimberly < > wimber...@gmail.com> > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Date: *Monday, January 13, 2020 at 7:41 PM > *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 > outside SF City Hall; bring friends > > > > In Pittsburgh I worked with a man who had formerly worked at LANL in > plasma physics. When I told him about my relationship to NM he said the it > is a state on welfare. He was referring to the percentage of that State's > economy based on Federal $$. Highest in the US? I am aware of many > projects at LANL that are not about weapons but others know more about that > than I. > > ----------------------------------- > Frank Wimberly > > Phone (505) 670-9918 > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > > < There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes > in taxpayer ripoffs. > > > > > I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, > administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national > work. It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of > them live in Santa Fe. Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the > federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, > etc. > > > > Marcus > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff < > merlelefk...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF > City Hall; bring friends > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Leslie Lakind* <leftielak...@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM > Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring > friends > To: > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Greg Mello* <gme...@lasg.org> > > > > Permalink <http://www.lasg.org/letters/2020/nm_12Jan2020.html> for this > letter. *Please forward!* Other Letters > <http://www.lasg.org/letters/letters.html> > Home page <http://lasg.org/index.htm>; Press Releases > <http://www.lasg.org/press/PressReleases.html>; Bulletins > <http://www.lasg.org/ActionAlerts/action.htm>; > To subscribe to our Friends listserve (formerly by invitation only) send > a blank email here. <lasg_friends-subscr...@lists.riseup.net> To > unsubscribe send a blank email here. > <lasg_friends-unsubscr...@lists.riseup.net> > To subscribe to our Main listserve (less content, less frequent) send a > blank email here. <lasg-subscr...@lists.riseup.net> To unsubscribe send a > blank email here. <lasg-unsubscr...@lists.riseup.net> > Our blog (makeover coming!): *Remember your Humanity > <http://lasg.org/wordpress/>. *Twitter: @TrishABQ > <https://twitter.com/#%21/TrishABQ>. > Contribute. <http://www.lasg.org/contribute.htm> Volunteer. Contact us (Greg > and Trish in our main office <http://www.lasg.org/contact.htm>, Lydia > Clark in our Santa Fe office <clark4...@msn.com>) > > *This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on > Wednesday Jan. 15 (map <https://goo.gl/maps/ycyfawsEqEYzu3wG9>) -- please > come, and please recruit others* > > *Dear New Mexico friends – * > > As we have explained in previous letters > <http://www.lasg.org/letters/letters.html>, Wednesday is the day on which > the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former > College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a > 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration > (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National > Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as > tenant(s). > > The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has > disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, > cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons > campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and > what this would be.) > > People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and > corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers. > > If you live *anywhere* nearby please come to this joint press conference, > and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance > matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work > later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely > unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who > know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some > spine from us out here to take to their bosses. > > New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice > area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area. > > We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by > noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day. > > While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we > can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want > that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just > don't know. > > This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other > and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to > any City officials willing to do so. > > *Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are > recommending right now. 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