Glen writes:

< To make that point concrete, I'll talk about the local VFW, which is 
populated with racist, self-righteous jerks. Renee' and I tend to like aged 
drinkers ... partly because we are aged drinkers in the making. So there's a 
natural affinity with the regulars at the local VFW. I can be a member because 
my dad "fought" in Korea.  (In reality, he was a flight engineer and helped 
bomb people from the abstracted heights.) But the only reason they (barely) 
accept me is because I speak respectfully (in their presence) about what it 
means to kill people, mostly with other skin colors, because our leadership 
told us to kill them. Anyone who bears the slightest resemblance of 
skepticism/disrespect for "those who served" is quickly shown the door. They 
are much more interested in their *identity* than they are in any facts 
surrounding the issues. >

Yep, I know those engineers & designers.  Didn't see it directly until after 
the election, but sheesh, there it was.
Mercenary, I can deal with that.   Heisenberg (science comes first no matter 
what), I can deal with that.    But sitting at a table with a proud moron 
eventually makes me run for the exit (or worse).   I could live in Antarctica 
or Mars by myself for the rest of my life and I would never have the slightest 
urge to seek that company.
 
Marcus 

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