Sorry; it would have helped if I had spelled your name correctly the first time.
Hurry is not of God, Eric > On Dec 29, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Eric Smith <desm...@santafe.edu> wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > By all means. I do not intend either aggression or even disrespect toward > anybody who will argue any position honestly and in good faith. > > The thing that I was attacking below, and which I think needs to be regarded > as an existential threat, is what I interpret as coordinated acting in bad > faith. By that I mean a sort of dishonesty of motive, where the real motive > is not at all the wellbeing of anybody on the receiving end. Many tactics go > into that: deception, bullying, impoverishment, and more overt things. > > We have a crisis of bad faith in many dimensions, certainly in this country > with which I am most familiar, but perhaps more widely. There is no > statement that only means what it claims to be about. Any statement, with a > dishonest motive, can be used for a purpose that isn’t what it claims to be > about. That is on the sending end. On the receiving end, when there is a > belief that all senders act in bad faith (whether or not that blame is > earned), the receiver can choose to reject any statement, no matter how good > its content is capable of being. > > We are in a bad downward spiral in that exchange. There is enough usage in > bad faith that in some cases it justifies the cynicism of listeners, and in > many more cases, it gives their cynicism a convenient rationalization. On > the other side, when people give up thinking they have agency, but remain > alive, cynicism and rejection and a general destructiveness can be a recourse > to sinking just into frustration. I think those choices are mistakes, but I > don’t think they necessarily deserve blame, and they certainly warrant an > attitude of helpfulness and committed caring. > > Anybody who picks up a tool with the intention of genuinely helping others, > and having the humility to understand that it is hard to know how to do that, > but necessary to keep trying, is eligible to be a comrade of mine. > > All best, > > Eric > > >> On Dec 29, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Pieter Steenekamp <piet...@randcontrols.co.za> >> wrote: >> >> Is it possible to have, in this group, a civil discussion where the accepted >> view of the IPCC that unless we reduce CO2 emissions we are heading for >> disaster is challenged? >> >> On 29 December 2017 at 20:25, Eric Smith <desm...@santafe.edu> wrote: >> I agree with both Glen and Jillian, >> >> this is more on the right tack. It’s not about stupidity. It’s about a >> kind of character degeneracy further down, and a certain kind of vileness >> that becomes possible at that level. >> >> I would add one thing to Jill’s and Glen’s emphasis (attention trolling), >> which is that this is about thugs. That goes beyond the executive to an >> increasingly purified right wing since Gingrich’s tactics in (the 80s?). It >> is not that they don’t know “the truth” of a matter; it is an active war on >> the existence of truth as a public good, or of anything else that impedes >> the exercise of thug power. Nick has articulated this cleanly in several >> emails, over the past months. >> >> But again, anger and outrage are for people. Or for something close enough >> to people that there is anything redeemable about it. Disinfectants and >> vaccines are for public health problems. No less commitment, but a >> different kind, and hopefully a more focused mind. >> >> Eric >> >> >>> On Dec 29, 2017, at 10:49 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You called it, Gillian. Trump and his ilk (Milo, Spencer, etc.) thrive on >>> their ability to invoke. Beliefs and knowledge take a back seat, which is >>> why they are so capable of munging the facts and changing their tune when >>> confronted. >>> >>> So I have to disagree fundamentally with Nick, Merle, Tom, Frank, and >>> Pamela. He's not "that stupid". In fact, that question is irrelevant. He >>> simply knows how to push the buttons, especially of the well-intentioned >>> people who care about beliefs and knowledge. >>> >>> On 12/29/2017 09:40 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: >>>> He is one of these: >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll >>> >>> -- >>> ☣ uǝlƃ >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
