Re: [Freedos-user] Running Freedos on bare metal in the future ?

Fri, 01 Nov 2024 15:05:35 -0700

‎Greetings,of course,if there is a clone of 486,there is no need to clone 086.
Thanx for the good news,that such clones exist & r doable,thus Legacy architecture is not dead.
So the remaining problem is to make it cheaper to create new Legacy HW,which is the meaning of my offer.To rebuild my house to a plant for making Legacy HW is expensive for the cost of the reconstruction,but then U can run the plant for free,& if U will pay no rent & in the case of equipping it with its own Solar+Wind power plant U will also pay nothing for electricity & as I do not have children,the users of the plant will become its owners after my death,for decades of 0 cost for rent & 0 cost for electricity it must push down the cost of Legacy HW made there,which is the goal of my offer.
Thanx for listening.
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From: Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 02:25.‎
To: FreeDOS Users
Cc: jer...@shidel.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Running Freedos on bare metal in the future ?

There is no need to clone an 8086.

You can run the entire system or just a CPU in an FPGA. 

There are versions for several of the older CPUs out there. Even 486 equvilants.

Just google ‘FPGA 8086 CPU” or similar.


Probably cost prohibitive. FPGAs are not super cheap. But, doable. 

:-)

Jerome


On Oct 30, 2024, at o9:06 PM, Sabina Zelená. via Freedos-user <freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

‎Greetings,thanks for the replay.
I even know,some guy in New Zealand is making XT-clones including new MoBos,but as U pointed,i am afraid,that project is also dependent on using original CPUs,which survived.
So do U think,even cloning a 086/088 CPU is impossible?
‎BTW x86 CPUs was already reverse engineered,@ least AMD had stolen the schematics & successfully cloned Intel's architecture @ least for 286/386/486/P1,thus if 1ce they was cloned,y they could not be cloned again?
& the size of the (Free)DOS community will grow with inconveniences of using contemporary OSs & HW,i guess,all intellectuals will return to DOS‎,moreover disidents will sure return to DOS,as contemporary mainstream OSs r too Orwell,so soon nostalgia will sure not be the only reason for prefering DOS,people will want a NON-ORWELL OS,or a non-wasting OS,or so,or something more reliable for industrial applications,something,which will not fall apart within 2 or 3 years,so sure more reasons to restore production than just for gamers.
No1 in whole community with equipment for cloning CPUs?
No1 with clean lab?
Best regards.
S.Z..‎
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  Original Message  
From: Roderick Klein via Freedos-user
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2024 18:28
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.
Cc: Roderick Klein
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Running Freedos on bare metal in the future ?
On 10/30/24 06:00 pm, Sabina Zelená. via Freedos-user wrote:
‎Greetings.
I would most appreciate,if someone would be willing to assemble a team
for restoring Legacy HW,mainly Legacy MoBo & CPUs production.
If someone would be willing to create a plant for Legacy HW production,I
would offer my house for free usage for this purpose(U know,that former
school building,U r all ignoring me for pretty long time on this
forum‎,maybe because I am the only female here).Y to accept the end of
Legacy HW & create virtual BIOS replacements...Y to accept that UEFI
garbage @ all?
‎If Legacy architecture is abandoned,it may become public accessible,or
some1 could reverse-engineer Legacy processors & MoBos & start to create
new old HW,this should be the future of DOS,do not accept UEFI,restore
the Legacy era.Have own HW for (Free)DOS.
Live long & prosper.‎
I think you are missing the biggest possible issue we are going to face.
Making mainboards might be possible. Look at some of the Commondore clones.
But cloning a CPU I am very afraid is whole different ball game.
And I wonder if that is even possible for such small market.
Roderick
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