Hi Liam,

> On Oct 23, 2024, at 11:28 AM, Liam Proven via Freedos-user 
> <freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> [..]

> "Installing FreeDOS with OpenGEM, SEAL and Ozone GUI"
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS6iTNccgi4 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS6iTNccgi4>

I watched his video. 

First, for whatever reason, his instance of QEMU was extremely slow. It was 
still very slow after using KVM in his QEMU startup command.

For example, his FULL install took 2.5 hours. For me, using VirtualBox on a 12 
year old MacBook Pro the entire process takes about 5 minutes. 

> He also demonstrates PGME -- but, as I have reported here again
> recently, his mouse does not work correctly.

He actually ran PGME twice. 

The first time everything looked and worked correctly. 

The second time there was no visible mouse cursor. Well, maybe I saw it flicker 
a couple times up near the clock. 

There are a couple possible reasons for that. 

First, it is possible that either OZONE (which crashed on exit) or SEAL left 
the system in a semi-unstable state. 

Second, it could be the speed of his emulator is so slow there is insufficient 
time to draw the mouse cursor between screen updates. There have been a few 
improvements in PGME to greatly reduce that issue since FreeDOS 1.3. However, 
it still needs a little more work done to completely eliminate that on slow 
machines. Or, it is possible the mouse was no longer detectible. 

Unfortunately, he did not run PGME from the much faster laptop. 

I don’t know what you mean by “not working correctly”. 

Do you mean it was simply not visible like on his second run? 

Or, something else entirely?

Have you tried the latest version of PGME?

> 
> I suggest trying to get GEOS working and replacing GEM, Ozone and Seal.

I’ve talked with the developers of PC/GEOS Ensemble several times in the past. 
They said they do not want to have it be provided with FreeDOS until they feel 
that GEOS was “ready”.

When they feel the work they are doing to make it open source is ready, we can 
discuss including it with the release. In the mean time, we want to respect 
their wishes and not include any pre-ready version.

:-)

Jerome

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