:On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Matt Dillon wrote:
:
:>     I did a quick search of the qmail site but couldn't find an email
:>     address to report the FAQ issue to.  If QMail calls fsync() in a
:>     reasonable manner, then softupdates is perfectly safe and the QMail
:>     FAQ needs to be updated to recommend softupdates rather then
:>     disrecommend it.
:>
:>                                              -Matt
:
:The question still reamins about link/unlink/rename.  Is a fsync of the
:directory necessary to ensure that they completed properly?  As they take
:filenames instead of fds, an fsync after the operation seems
:non-intuitive.  The rename manpage seems to imply that the operation is
:synchronous - the other two are ambiguous.
:
:Mike "Silby" Silbersack

    If you rename a file and then fsync() the file's descriptor, you
    will guarentee the directory structure.  Same with link.  If you
    you unlink a file and still have an open descriptor you can fsync()
    the descriptor to guarentee the directory unlink.  It might be a good
    idea to ftruncate() the file to 0-length in addition to unlinking it,
    prior to calling fsync(), to avoid unnecessary data block writes.

    I've never tried fsync()ing a directory descriptor so I don't know
    if that would work or not. 

    No other filesystem makes guarentees for these operations either.
    Not even normal UFS mounts.

                                                -Matt


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