Le keskiviikkona 20. marraskuuta 2024, 19.16.50 EET Michael Niedermayer a écrit : > The CC has been involved in both Paul leaving
You're shooting the messenger. As CC members rightfully pointed out previously, the CC does not even have the power to ban a developer permanently. Paul decided to leave because he was fed up with the project's processes. And by that I mean obvious basic things like code review and testing. That works if you are alone in the project, or if people are paid to do the boring stuff and clean up after you. But that does not work in an open-source community. To make matters worse, his negative attitude or trolling on the mailing list and IRC channels were very demotivating to many people (including me). You actually expressed not so long ago the opinion that somebody should be paid to import his Librempeg work into FFmpeg. And that is saying the same thing, just from a different angle. You *cannot* have everyone happy to continue to contribute to FFmpeg, no matter how badly you think you want it. There is no point continuing this argument. By officially not picking a side, you just piss all sides of every arguments off, and ultimately we end up with the worst possible outcome: demotivated developers and people leaving left and right. > as well as Nicolas largely stoping contributing. Of the 2 years and then some that I have been actively following the mailing list, Nicolas contributions have mostly consisted of arrogant and/or adversarial messages, sometimes even conspiratorial. Then he posts the occasional technically valid but helpless and condescending code review comments, such as this: https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2024-November/335721.html I can believe that he has been productive and a net positive to the project at some point in time, but that does not reflect on his behaviour while I have been here. Besides, he made no secret that he wants to turn the FFmpeg (allegedly back) into some experimental research project and not care about user and downstream needs. That is counter to what the large majority of people here want and what FFmpeg is officially striving for: "a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video" (source: FFmpeg.org main page). I am pretty sure that he is the person who has most vocally and frequently called for a fork - with the caveat that FFmpeg.org would become the fun research project while the boring popular software maintenance would have to change name. > Thats a significant loss to the project If you see it that way, you have the moral right to heed the calls that Nicolas made. But you seem to be the only person with delusions that both his "fun" designs and the "boring" designs can be accomodated together in a single mailing list and VCS repository. In my personal opinion, it is precisely your refusal to accept the reality that you can't accomodate everybody and act accordingly and decisively, that is dragging the project down by generating all those arguments and wasting people's time and motivation. And no, that sentence is not slander even if it is not nice. (And yes, there is admittedly also a proxy war for the FFlabs boardroom battle.) > While at the same time the CC did not take effective action against > multiple other people > Just this whole thread should not exist in this form if the CC was working You can't have it both ways. The CC cannot be taking too strong actions and too weak actions at the same time. -- レミ・デニ-クールモン http://www.remlab.net/ _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
