Let me just clarify that I’m not in any way preaching the Buddhism teaching, but was merely introducing another perspective of looking at the consciousness.
Buddhism has its own theory and is a closed-loop system. If you accept its premises and basic methodology, then everything else falls into places. Just like other grand theories attempting to offer overarching explanations of the entire world, regardless it’s scientific theory or philosophical theory or religious theory. It’s fair to say that in many, if not all, of these grand theories, there are certain premises or tenets you have to accept without questioning, just like you have to accept that there is no friction in the elementary Newton mechanic world, before moving on to more advanced discussion. Therefore, if you reject the premise of Buddhism and then all its theories, that’s logical, and not a problem with me. I’m not preaching Buddhism. The problem is that you risk dismissing a useful perspective prematurely, from a purely objective and neutral standpoint. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 16, 2020, at 9:31 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 9:24 AM Beixiao Robert Liu <b.robert....@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > according to Buddhism teachings, AI may venture into the realm of the >> mental consciousness, but will never be able to reach the seventh and eighth >> cognition. And that seventh and eight cognition is what distinguishes a life >> being from a non life being. > > This doesn't just involve AI's, how does Buddha figure out if one of his > fellow human beings is conscious or not, or is alive or not? > > John K Clark > > > > >> In Buddhism teachings, a human has eight cognitions. The first five are >> related to our physical world: sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch. >> >> Then there are three related to our spiritual world. >> >> The sixth cognition is our thinking and emotions. This is where our >> repository of knowledge is located. All the human knowledge of philosophy, >> science, technology, arts belongs to the sixth cognition. This includes >> mental consciousness, sub-consciousness and these related concepts. >> >> Then the seventh and eighth senses are uniquely oriental and are near the >> core theory of Buddhism. The eighth sense is easier to explain than the >> seventh. >> >> The eighth sense is the “real-self”, or an inaccurate equivalent of “soul”, >> that’s the constant between incarnations, regardless one’s life takes the >> form of this human or that life being on earth. >> >> The seven sense can be roughly said as something between the sixth cognition >> - our day-to-day thinking - and the eighth cognition. The seventh cognition >> enables us to perform all the deep and thorough thinking at the sixth >> cognition level. >> >> Therefore, according to Buddhism teachings, AI may venture into the realm of >> the mental consciousness, but will never be able to reach the seventh and >> eighth cognition. And that seventh and eight cognition is what distinguishes >> a life being from a non life being. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On Aug 16, 2020, at 5:02 AM, Alan Grayson <agrayson2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 10:36:40 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu >>>> wrote: >>>> Well, if the inquiry here concerns consciousness, then the question of >>>> whether a human should trust the AI, or whether the AI has the capacity to >>>> be trusted by a human, ought to be part of the inquiry, right? The movie >>>> listed others elements: compassion, sympathy, etc. I guess I was just >>>> using my wife’s off-the-cuff comment as a convenient way to suggest that >>>> Caleb might set the wrong threshold in his Turing test; and as a result, >>>> he gave a pass to the AI too easily, which later proved fatally wrong. >>> >>> Sorry. Maybe my comment was too flippant. I just don't think Caleb's >>> mistake in trusting the AI relates to whether the AI is conscious. AG >>>> >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2020, at 23:29, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:54:35 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> It’s available on YouTube. You could rent it for as little as $4, as >>>>>> long as you finish viewing it within 2 days once your start playing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for recommending it. I just viewed it. My wife said that it’s >>>>>> stupid for the boy to trust the AI girl, Ava, so he got what he deserved. >>>>> >>>>> Too funny! That's hardly the point. AG >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> > On Aug 15, 2020, at 21:26, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Alas not available on Netflix Australia. It'll have to wait until >>>>>> > if/when I subscribe to Amazon Prime briefly. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I'm also not really prepared to purchase a VPN just to watch other >>>>>> > countries' Netflix connections, for much the same reason as I only >>>>>> > subscribe to one streamer - so it might have to wait until if/when I >>>>>> > do live in a country that has it in the Netflix catalogue. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > The tangled web of movie copyright arrangements... Bah! >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>> >> If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test, >>>>>> >> science >>>>>> >> fiction, but the "special effects" aren't primarily photographic >>>>>> >> bells and >>>>>> >> whistles, but the dialogue. the text, the logic of the script. >>>>>> >> Recently, we >>>>>> >> have argued about consciousness, what it is, and how we can test for >>>>>> >> it in the >>>>>> >> context of AI. I claimed that we could do some superficial surgery to >>>>>> >> determine >>>>>> >> whether the subject of the test was a robot or a conscious entity. >>>>>> >> But this is >>>>>> >> completely mistaken. All that that would reveal is whether the >>>>>> >> subject was >>>>>> >> artificial, not whether it was "conscious". The subject could have >>>>>> >> been a black >>>>>> >> box, and still showing signs of what we can't really define; >>>>>> >> consciousness. I >>>>>> >> think Ex Machina provides an answer of what we need to look for. >>>>>> >> Please view it >>>>>> >> and report back. But do NOT read the plot, say in Wiki. It's a >>>>>> >> spoiler. 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