On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 10:36:40 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu wrote: > > Well, if the inquiry here concerns consciousness, then the question of > whether a human should trust the AI, or whether the AI has the capacity to > be trusted by a human, ought to be part of the inquiry, right? The movie > listed others elements: compassion, sympathy, etc. I guess I was just using > my wife’s off-the-cuff comment as a convenient way to suggest that Caleb > might set the wrong threshold in his Turing test; and as a result, he gave > a pass to the AI too easily, which later proved fatally wrong. >
Sorry. Maybe my comment was too flippant. I just don't think Caleb's mistake in trusting the AI relates to whether the AI is conscious. AG > > On Aug 15, 2020, at 23:29, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:54:35 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu wrote: >> >> It’s available on YouTube. You could rent it for as little as $4, as long >> as you finish viewing it within 2 days once your start playing. >> >> Thanks for recommending it. I just viewed it. My wife said that it’s >> stupid for the boy to trust the AI girl, Ava, so he got what he deserved. > > > Too funny! That's hardly the point. AG > >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Aug 15, 2020, at 21:26, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> >> wrote: >> > >> > Alas not available on Netflix Australia. It'll have to wait until >> > if/when I subscribe to Amazon Prime briefly. >> > >> > I'm also not really prepared to purchase a VPN just to watch other >> > countries' Netflix connections, for much the same reason as I only >> > subscribe to one streamer - so it might have to wait until if/when I >> > do live in a country that has it in the Netflix catalogue. >> > >> > The tangled web of movie copyright arrangements... Bah! >> > >> >> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test, >> science >> >> fiction, but the "special effects" aren't primarily photographic bells >> and >> >> whistles, but the dialogue. the text, the logic of the script. >> Recently, we >> >> have argued about consciousness, what it is, and how we can test for >> it in the >> >> context of AI. I claimed that we could do some superficial surgery to >> determine >> >> whether the subject of the test was a robot or a conscious entity. But >> this is >> >> completely mistaken. All that that would reveal is whether the subject >> was >> >> artificial, not whether it was "conscious". The subject could have >> been a black >> >> box, and still showing signs of what we can't really define; >> consciousness. I >> >> think Ex Machina provides an answer of what we need to look for. >> Please view it >> >> and report back. But do NOT read the plot, say in Wiki. It's a >> spoiler. AG >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >> "Everything List" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email >> >> to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ >> >> everything-list/6c3c8eba-542c-45a6-a79f-ca54202fdcc8o% >> 40googlegroups.com. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) >> > Principal, High Performance Coders hpc...@hpcoders.com.au >> > http://www.hpcoders.com.au >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/20200816012618.GA5850%40zen. >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d59348ac-d359-4164-a7e8-45c78bb0e6bbo%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d59348ac-d359-4164-a7e8-45c78bb0e6bbo%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/272bb0f5-9c93-4666-86bc-6c0f5ee0977bo%40googlegroups.com.
