> On 30 Jul 2020, at 22:23, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I am not going to pass judgment on this. I can't really do that. I can only > say that this is a minority report. The general consensus I am hearing
… in the US. Not in Europe and Asia, who use hydroxychloroquine. It is not seen as a panacea, but as less dangerous than Remdesvir, and slightly better. But the hydoxychoroquine needs to be used with a precise protocol, before some organ are infected, or more aptly, destroyed by an immune-reaction of the patient itself. Once the lungs are destroyed, it seems that there is no more virus in the body of the patient. Most death by the covid-29 are due to “allergic” type of reaction. > is that a compound that changes the pH of blood in a way that slows the > progress of a protistan responsible for malaria has no influence on a corona > virus. OK. But that is not an argument to say that it does not work (better than other medication in use). It is a complex debate, but when I find logic error in negative argument, I decide to be very vigilant, on both sides of the issue. Bruno > > LC > > On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 3:02:12 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: > Refute this Telmo- > https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study > <https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study> > > https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext > <https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext> > > One viewer here indicated this was not a study-but it is a study indeed > concluding the benefits of Hydro. > > Now what do I think? If it works it works, and if it doesn't it doesn't. Do > the opponents of the old drug in question care if it works? Seemingly no, > they are just foaming at the mouth because Orange Dude endorsed it. If it > doesn't work, screw it. If it can help some people, keep it at hand. What > does John Clark care about? Orange Man Bad! This has zero to do with > fighting the Wuhan flu. For the opponents of Orange Man nothing else matters. > Civil (US) Conflict? Next stop! Take care. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected] > <applewebdata://0BE6AC03-55ED-4F6B-BCCF-33408FA23D02>> > To: John Clark <[email protected] > <applewebdata://0BE6AC03-55ED-4F6B-BCCF-33408FA23D02>>; 'Brent Meeker' via > Everything List <[email protected] > <applewebdata://0BE6AC03-55ED-4F6B-BCCF-33408FA23D02>> > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2020 2:28 pm > Subject: Re: Sharpiegate > > > > Am Do, 30. Jul 2020, um 17:16, schrieb John Clark: >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:27 AM Telmo Menezes <[email protected] >> <applewebdata://0BE6AC03-55ED-4F6B-BCCF-33408FA23D02>> wrote: >> >> >> > I disapprove of Trump and everything he stands for as much as you do. I >> > detest him. He is an incompetent narcissist, and his election as the >> > president of the USA was a nightmare come true. >> >> Truer words were never spoken! >> >> > I think that the current extreme political polarization of all things is >> > doing damage to science. A symptom of this is that the epistemological >> > status of things such as the efficacy of hydroxychloriquine became >> > impossible to determine for those not deeply involved in the field, even >> > if scientifically literate and able to follow the papers. >> >> Crackpots, and in that I would include Trump supporters and >> thehydroxychloroquine cure COVID-19 people, don't just dispute well >> established theories, they dispute the raw data itself. I've had otherwise >> intelligent people tell me that every epidemiologist in the world is wrong, >> and the entire scientific community is wrong, and even insist every bit of >> data we have about COVID-19 is wrong. Why would they do that? Because if the >> data was right they would have to radically change their worldview and face >> the fact that Donald Trump is not doing a good job. Changing one's worldview >> is quite painful for some people. >> >> Nobody can be knowledgeable about everything, so if the vast majority of >> expert specialists in the world on a very complicated subject like >> epidemiology, agrees on something, people who have spent their life studying >> the subject, then I think they are much more likely to be correct then you >> or I are after we've only been studying the matter for 20 minutes or so. >> That's why people read scientific journals and believe that what they say is >> probably true even if they haven't personally carried out the experiments >> described in them. People that we trust, because they have proven to be >> right in the past, judge new research and if they think it's not valid they >> don't publish it in their journals, and if they think it is valid then they >> do. It's a web of trust, it's what the cryptographic program PGP uses to >> ensure that a public key really belongs to the person that it claims to. And >> history has shown the system, although not perfect, works pretty well most >> of the time, which is a hell of a lot better than most things work. >> >> And by the way, I don't think Trump has spent even 20 minutes studying viral >> epidemiology or statistical theory in his entire life. > > I more or less agree with everything you say. That is exactly why I worry > that incidents such as the Lancet retraction are damaging to the web of trust. > > > Telmo > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <applewebdata://0BE6AC03-55ED-4F6B-BCCF-33408FA23D02>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/777296fb-a76b-4b8a-aef6-f8bb70c45aa4%40www.fastmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/777296fb-a76b-4b8a-aef6-f8bb70c45aa4%40www.fastmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4cbd46d5-96e5-49d8-b662-6e9b4c493e92n%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4cbd46d5-96e5-49d8-b662-6e9b4c493e92n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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