On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 7:49 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 4:30:51 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: >> >> >> Anyway, all of this is just your attempt to divert attention from the >> fact that your retrocausal ideas do not work in real experimental >> situations. >> >> Bruce >> > > > I don't think so. > > *Physicists provide support for retrocausal quantum theory, in which the > future influences the past* > > https://phys.org/news/2017-07-physicists-retrocausal-quantum-theory-future.html > > *Can the future influence the past? The scientific case for quantum > retrocausality* > https://boingboing.net/2018/06/15/can-the-future-influence-the-p.html > > *This Quantum Theory Claims Future Events Can Influence Past Events* > > https://wallstreetpit.com/113788-quantum-theory-claims-future-events-can-influence-past-events/ > > ... > > And then there’s retrocausality, which basically says that the present (or > the future) can influence the past, and in terms of cause-and effect, the > effect happens prior to the cause. Connecting that concept with quantum > entanglement, it’s like saying that measuring an entangled particle in the > present (or future) affects the particle’s properties in the past. And > instead of the famous Bell tests > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_test_experiments> showing proof of > quantum entanglement, they can be regarded as evidence of retrocausality. > This is what Matthew S. Leifer of California’s Chapman University and > Matthew F. Pusey of Ontario’s Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics > are proposing. > > > In relation to the traditional concept of time symmetry which says that > physical processes can run forward and backward in time while following the > same physical laws, Leifer and Pusey argue that retrocausality should also > hold true. They believe that unless we are somehow able to prove that time > only moves one way, which is forward, then retrocausal influences should > also be considered. > > Right now, separate particles seemingly being affected by measuring either > of the particles is attributed to the concept of ‘spooky action at a > distance’, because there’s simply no other way to explain how the particles > influence each other. Leifer and Pusey’s theory is that the measurement of > one particle can retrocausally influence the behavior of the other > particle. There’s no spooky action at a distance, just retrocausal > influence. > > > While the concept of retrocausality has yet to gain momentum, there are > those who believe that it is worth looking further into. And part of its > appeal has to do with its breaking away from ‘realist interpretations of > quantum theory’ and its implication that it’s time to come up with new > alternative interpretations about quantum physics. > > As Leifer explained > <https://phys.org/news/2017-07-physicists-retrocausal-quantum-theory-future.html> > to > Phys.org: “I think that different interpretations [of quantum theory] have > different implications for how we might go about generalizing standard > quantum theory. This might be needed to construct the correct theory of > quantum gravity, or even to resolve some issues in high-energy physics > given that the unification of the other three forces is still up in the air > in the light of LHC results.” > > > In a way, retrocausality doesn’t make things any clearer. In fact, it > might even be making things even weirder. But the point is, it provides an > alternative explanation to those ‘entangled particles’. Testing and proving > that it’s the correct explanation is the bigger challenge. > > > The paper detailing Leifer and Pusey’s work was recently published > <http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/473/2202/20160607> in the > journal Proceedings of the Royal Society A. > > and so on. > More arguments from authority. But these are just speculative proposals. If you have an actual retrocausal account of the Aspect experiment, why not produce it? Your contiinued evasions only go to prove that you are just blowing wind. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLREkh%2BdzqrnqszHiU5TdJ6FNBzdXLA9KcKir%2BGzcC6tLQ%40mail.gmail.com.
