On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:09:41 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 6:02 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected]
> <javascript:>> wrote:
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>> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 2:43:29 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
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>>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 5:29 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> One thing I might try to convince people of:
>>>>
>>>> *Physics is fiction.*
>>>>
>>>> Vic Stenger would have said "Physics is models".
>>>>
>>>> There are always alternative models, and new ones likely coming in the
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> To find *reality in a model* (to make truth claims in the vocabulary
>>>> of a model) is a form of religious fundamentalism.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've got nothing against models, or against thinking of physics as
>>> models. But it does seem to me important that the models actually work. Or
>>> else you are in la la land.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>
>> We know the Standard Model doesn't "work".
>>
>
> That will be news to the physics community. The thing about the Standard
> Model is that it does work everywhere that it has been tested within its
> domain. That does not mean that it is necessarily the last word, but it is
> just stupid to say that it doesn't work.
>
>
>> Physics beyond the Standard Model (BSM) refers to the theoretical
>> developments needed to explain the *deficiencies of the **Standard Model
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model> ...*
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_beyond_the_Standard_Model
>>
>> Physicists seem to conflate "work" and "truth".
>>
>
> That's your misunderstand ing of what physics and models are about.
>
> Bruce
>
Physicists find some model that works somewhere. And then they make make
truth statements in the vocabulary ("quantum states", for example) of a
model which claims the actual reality (existence) of entities those terms
refer to in the vocabulary.
That's what Vic called platonism.
@philipthrift
make truth claims in the vocabulary of a model)
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