On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 6:36:00 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 2:09:41 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 12:27:07 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 7:13:55 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 6:38:41 AM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> This trend has galloped off into some sort of nonsense. Some of these >>>>> people are fairly well known, such as Dowkers, Wharton, Sorkin and >>>>> Deutsch, >>>>> but they have all gone into some sort of fantasy land. It is too bad in a >>>>> way that Bohr is not still alive to shake his finger at these folks. It >>>>> appears that in some ways this is a case of Alan Ginsburg's *Howl*, >>>>> with "I have seen the best minds of this generation go mad." These ideas >>>>> are so patently wrong, that with a fairly basic even minimal argument >>>>> based >>>>> on plain vanilla QM they can be seen as false. >>>>> >>>>> LC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> So *Fay Dowker *and *Rafael Sorkin * >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fay_Dowker >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Sorkin >>>> >>>> are now in fantasy land. >>>> >>>> You want to turn physics into a religious fundamentalist cult. >>>> >>>> @philipthrift >>>> >>> >>> Sorry, but there are trends in academia where people by virtue of their >>> position are able to promote nonsense. I think Jonathan Swift had a bit to >>> say with the the floating island of Laputia, which was a knock on academia. >>> >>> The problem with Dowker and her path integral ideas is the path integral >>> is a math method; it has no additional physical content. In fact in general >>> in the way it is written it has less content because it is expanded around >>> a classical extremum. QFT is much the same. QFT sets commutators of >>> observables with spacelike separations to zero, when quantum mechanics in >>> its pure setting tells us there is nonlocality and this condition is an >>> auxiliary postulate meant to ease calculations. String theory has some >>> "funnies" to it as well. The interesting thing about the holographic >>> principle with black holes is it tells us that quantum fields are >>> projections from fields near the horizon where Lorentz symmetry has these >>> quantum field in a time dilated and nonrelativistic QM form. In effect >>> plain vanilla QM, the stuff in Merzbacher or Cohen-Tannoudji etc is really >>> the fundamental stuff. >>> >>> Along these lines with fundamental physics, with exceptional group >>> theory, Leech lattice, and Jordan algebras etc, the theta representation of >>> these involve equations that in complex form are Schrodinger equations. In >>> a Euclideanized form they are heat equations with heat kernel solutions. >>> When applied to the integral representation of qubits on a stretched >>> horizon it does suggest that in some fancy way, say with relationships >>> between entanglements, causality and spacetime, the most fundamental theory >>> of the universe is just plain QM. >>> >>> I would strongly advise anyone to avoid ideas about hidden variables or >>> in this case ideas of advanced potentials that in ways "wire up" the >>> appearance of nonlocality with local rules. For various reasons these ideas >>> are not consistent with QM, and at the end of it all these ideas do not >>> produce QM as some derived result, but rather demolish it. >>> >>> LC >>> >> >> >> >> So Dowker (professor of theoretical physics at Imperial College London) >> is misguided and you are not. Who are you? >> >> The main idea of "Lost in Math" (Sabine Hossenfelder) addresses the >> fundamentalist mindset expressed above that traps many (she would know more >> how many, being around them) physicists. >> > > Actually Sabine's argument is about people in positions at schools > spinning off nonsense. I have actually read her book. > > LC > > >> >> Better to consider Feyerabend and reject fundamentalist certainty. >> >> "All descriptions of reality are inadequate. You think that this one-day >> fly, this little bit of nothing, a human being--according to today's >> cosmology!--can figure it all out? This to me seems so crazy! It cannot >> possibly be true!" >> >> https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/was-philosopher-paul-feyerabend-really-science-s-worst-enemy/ >> >> @philipthrift >> >
So then you are also OK with (which expresses the philosophy underlying the book) *The End of Theoretical Physics As We Know It* by Sabine Hossenfelder https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-end-of-theoretical-physics-as-we-know-it-20180827/ *Beyond Math* by Sophia Magnusdottir (actuailly Sabine Hossenfelder) https://fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/Magnusdottir_fqxi15.pdf @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/858987d4-0cd6-467c-8918-06a254a888fc%40googlegroups.com.
