On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 4:09:51 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
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> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 2:56 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected]
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>> On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 2:39:29 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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>>> On 5/18/2019 6:37 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
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>>> *A simulated human brain could describe it's back pain in every detail,
>>> write whole paragraphs about what it's like, while according to the theory
>>> of substrate dependence, it knows nothing of what it's writing about. Where
>>> then does this knowledge if pain come from when the AI writes a page about
>>> the back pain it is in?*
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>>> A simulated human brain could read the Wikipedia article on pain [
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain ] and integrate this knowledge into
>>> its knowledge base, but it could not experience pain.
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>>> How do you know this so-called fact?
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>>> Brent
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>> My main point is that those who say it can (I say it can't) can't talk
>> about telepathy, precognition, astral projection etc. being crazy.
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> Perhaps you could be so kind as to point out where we erred?
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> Jason
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It's not erring, so much as I think it's completely *unuseful* (of no
practical value, unhelpful).
It's like the simulation hypothesis that comes up surprisingly often in
science writing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-matrix-do-we-live-in-a-simulation-2019-4
*'The Matrix' hit theaters 20 years ago. Many scientists and philosophers
still think we're living in a simulation.*
That's just one recent example one can find in science news on the
"simulation hypothesis".
The "simulated brain could be conscious" idea is similar to the "simulation
hypothesis" idea.
I think both are completely useless (and while there is a lot of critics of
these, those of the faith in them them are not convinced by their
arguments).
Are they wrong? Ultimately one can't say anything is right or wrong.
But they are *useless*, as far as I can see.
@philipthrift
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