Edgar, "dark matter space warping" as you call it is amenable to model mathematically. I think that is something we would all like to see. Richard.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > Ghibbsa, > > Yes, of course there is already a gravity gradient from regular matter > around galaxies, but that FALLS off outside galaxies whereas that is where > my dark matter effect strengthens thre due to the warping of space due to > the unequal Hubble expansion. > > It is precisely that gravity normal matter gradient that, in the presence > of the Hubble expansion, that causes the dark matter space warping. So it's > already taken into account in the theory.... > > Edgar > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:13:59 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, January 27, 2014 9:09:29 PM UTC, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 5:34:04 PM UTC, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 4:12:00 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ghibbsa, >>>>> >>>>> I'm sorry to say I don't follow your alternative gravity effect here >>>>> and see no source for the effect and thus it seems entirely speculative to >>>>> me. I'd need some evidence that there was something reasonable that might >>>>> produce it OR that it would account well for dark matter. >>>>> >>>>> In any case there are a number of alternate gravitation theories >>>>> proposed in which the force of gravity varies with conditions such as that >>>>> of John Moffat and others. So far as I know these all have problems.... >>>>> >>>>> Edgar >>>>> >>>> >>>> Perhaps I could state it more simply as an infinitesimal slowing of >>>> the rate gravity reduces with increasing distance, that progressively >>>> increases over increasing distances. Insignificant for a single particle, >>>> but compounded for increasing mass. Because the bias slows the rate of >>>> decrease of gravity with distance AND progressively intensifies over >>>> increasing distances from the source of the gravity, the effect would be to >>>> progressively load the deficit at the tail end gravity furthest from the >>>> source. >>>> >>>> As this effect intensifies, the bias nearer the source loses the effect >>>> entirely. But because the original slight bias does exist, and because it >>>> progressively intensifies further from the source, and because that means >>>> the deficit is progressively pushed further toward the tail end (because >>>> the bias intensifies further out), there will come a point, where the rate >>>> at which gravity lessens is increasing faster than predicted beyond a >>>> certain line. And because the thesis is for a slight bias that actually >>>> slows the rate down, the fact this corresponds to an increased rate of >>>> descrease after a point, is progressively exacberated by an increased bias >>>> for slowing the other side of the point given there is now less tension the >>>> other way due to gravity falling away more steeply the other side of the >>>> line. >>>> >>>> So the progressive effect would be that gravity levels off more than >>>> predicted right out at the edge of the galaxy, and what had been a smooth >>>> decrease in its effect, transforms into a steepening gradient over a >>>> shorter distance. >>>> >>>> All which would create not only the dark matter effect, but also the >>>> observed symmetries of the effect, in relation to the clumps of denser >>>> ordinary matter in the galaxy. >>>> >>>> It depends on one tiny effect. It makes predictions that feasibly could >>>> be checked. It doesn't have the problems of the other gravity solutions. It >>>> doesn't need a 'cause' for the bias, because that's the conjecture part. >>>> >>>> 'course speculative, but you're rather a cheeky bugger to be protesting >>>> of that :o) I think you should at least be willing to make the effort to >>>> understand so simple an idea. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Second thoughts - don't bother....it's not a good idea, nor something I >>> personally believe in. I just remembered it thrown out in an earlier >>> conversation. Just a little it was demonstration ideas at this sort of >>> level are pretty easy to conjure up.....because everything about them is so >>> easy to vary (to borrow a good idea from Deutsch) >>> >> >> By the way Edgar, one thing I was saying (before mentioning that old >> 'explanation' of mine) about your Dark Matter theory which I don't think >> you understood (my bad, I probably didn't say it clearly) was about the >> part of ordinary gravity in the picture. You've responded by saying we >> already know that ordinary gravity cannot explain Dark Matter. >> >> That's true, but I was talking about ordinary gravity, taking the >> supposition Dark Matter was being explained by your theory. So I definitely >> wasn't talking at that time about ordinary gravity as an alternative to >> your idea. >> >> What I was trying to point out, was that, if you take Dark Matter out of >> the picture, then what you still have are gravity gradients around >> galaxies, caused by ordinary gravity. That is, if you pull far enough away >> from a galaxy, at some scale you can regard a whole galaxy as approximately >> a single mass. And of course, around that mass there will be a gravity >> gradient. >> >> The question I was asking was whether your expansion in between galaxies, >> and the non-expansion within galaxies, would ever 'touch' in the first >> place given there would be this pre-existing gradient around galaxies >> caused by ordinary gravity? Does your idea not basically hinge >> on a non-expanding space and an expanding space having a physical >> contact, requiring a gradient to be there? >> >> But if ordinary gravity already supplies a gradient (that doesn't explain >> dark matter) does not that amount to a pre-existing fire-wall between >> expanding, and non-expanding space? >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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