The cynic in me also may think that the task of the remote driver is to be blamed and accept liability in the case of an accident, protecting the corporation from liability.
In the case of an Uber autonomous vehicle killing a pedestrian, Arizona prosecutors ruled that Uber was not criminally responsible for the crash. The back-up driver of the vehicle was charged with negligent homicide, and pled guilty to endangerment (a felony) , and was sentenced to three years' probation. https://apnews.com/article/autonomous-vehicle-death-uber-charge-backup-driver-1c711426a9cf020d3662c47c0dd64e35 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elaine_Herzberg On Tuesday, December 3, 2024 at 03:38:52 PM PST, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: As far as I understand it, the only task for remote drivers is not to drive the car, but essentially to nudge a stuck car into making the right decision to get unstuck, for example when a delivery driver has blocked enough of a travel lane and the robocar cannot make up its mind whether to chance it through the remaining gap or to backtrack. Cor. On Tue, Dec 3, 2024, 3:29 PM EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 3 Dec 2024 at 1:55, Evan Foss via EV wrote: > > > they are hiring remote drivers. > > The Optimus* robots that served guests at the big robotaxi event in > October > were remotely controlled, too. > > That was just a clever parlor trick, unless you're an investor being > fooled, > but with remotely controlled cars you're in a whole different game. > > IMO, they'll be remotely UNcontrolled. > > How can they get low enough latency, especially once hundreds or thousands > of these robotaxis are chewing up bandwidth? > > What happens when the car does just well enough on its own for the driver > to > get bored and inattentive? That's already a problem with backup drivers > in > the cars. > > Will the remote drivers be able to *feel* what the car is doing, or will > they just have sight and maybe sound? You need *all* your senses to > handle > a driving emergency. And, again, in real time, not delayed milliseconds. > > Even low-wage remote drivers will be expensive. I bet there'll be > pressure > from management and investors to cut the cost by making the backup drivers > double up on cars - or worse. > > Would YOU want to be a remote driver? Could you take the stress? What if > you sliped up and someone died? How would you feel? What would happen > when > the dead kid's family sued you? > > I'm not just talking about Tesla. This applies to all attempts to > remotely > control "autonomous" vehicles. > > This is a science fiction dream for owners, managers and investors, and a > nightmare for the rest of us. > > *Only Elon Musk would name his robots after a Radio Shack audio brand from > the 1970s. :-\ > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > Elon [Musk] desperately wants the world to be saved, but only if he > can be the one to save it. > > -- Sam Altman > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20241203/e064d9fb/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20241205/d86b08b6/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
