Google already does this with the Waymo fleet. The car will alert a driver in the control center if it needs help figuring something out, and then that driver can take over or just tell the car what to do to get out of its situation.
You don't need any special bandwidth or latency requirements, as it's only happening once in a while. These cars are everywhere in SF now. Can't even go a few minutes without seeing one. Never a driver in the driver's seat! On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 3:38 PM Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > As far as I understand it, the only task for remote drivers is not to drive > the car, but essentially to nudge a stuck car into making the right > decision to get unstuck, for example when a delivery driver has blocked > enough of a travel lane and the robocar cannot make up its mind whether to > chance it through the remaining gap or to backtrack. > Cor. > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2024, 3:29 PM EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > > > On 3 Dec 2024 at 1:55, Evan Foss via EV wrote: > > > > > they are hiring remote drivers. > > > > The Optimus* robots that served guests at the big robotaxi event in > > October > > were remotely controlled, too. > > > > That was just a clever parlor trick, unless you're an investor being > > fooled, > > but with remotely controlled cars you're in a whole different game. > > > > IMO, they'll be remotely UNcontrolled. > > > > How can they get low enough latency, especially once hundreds or > thousands > > of these robotaxis are chewing up bandwidth? > > > > What happens when the car does just well enough on its own for the driver > > to > > get bored and inattentive? That's already a problem with backup drivers > > in > > the cars. > > > > Will the remote drivers be able to *feel* what the car is doing, or will > > they just have sight and maybe sound? You need *all* your senses to > > handle > > a driving emergency. And, again, in real time, not delayed milliseconds. > > > > Even low-wage remote drivers will be expensive. I bet there'll be > > pressure > > from management and investors to cut the cost by making the backup > drivers > > double up on cars - or worse. > > > > Would YOU want to be a remote driver? Could you take the stress? What > if > > you sliped up and someone died? How would you feel? What would happen > > when > > the dead kid's family sued you? > > > > I'm not just talking about Tesla. This applies to all attempts to > > remotely > > control "autonomous" vehicles. > > > > This is a science fiction dream for owners, managers and investors, and a > > nightmare for the rest of us. > > > > *Only Elon Musk would name his robots after a Radio Shack audio brand > from > > the 1970s. :-\ > > > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > > Elon [Musk] desperately wants the world to be saved, but only if he > > can be the one to save it. > > > > -- Sam Altman > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20241203/e064d9fb/attachment.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20241203/52ade31b/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
