The problem with rating FSD is that the rating system opaque. What does
"safer" mean ? If it simply is based on tallies of accidents, that's not
very useful. I have no doubt that FSD in its current state reduces the
number of collisions.
For me, the real safety metric would be more akin to tallying fatalities
and severe injuries. When the chance of either of those by FSD is lower
than that for an attentive driver, then I think I'll trust FSD. That's a
lot of qualifications. Particularly "attentive". It does little to
satisfy me if distracted or DUI drivers are included in the tally. Add
to that drivers that follow too closely, or drive recklessly. Once you
filter all that out, how does FSD compare ?
I have no idea if Tesla's FSD is at or near that point. I'm sure, one
day, it will be.
Peri
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------ Original Message ------
From: "Bobby Keeland via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: "Bobby Keeland" <keela...@gmail.com>
Sent: 04-Dec-24 18:06:28
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Remote Controlled Cars
Saying that FSD is a better driver than many people that you’ve seen
is not really saying much at all. There are a lot of really bad drivers all
over this country. In 2008 one of them ran into the back of my car as I was
pulling into my driveway. It was daylight, and both my tail lights and turn
signals had been checked less than a week prior. I spent 2 1/2 weeks in the
emergency ward of the hospital, and then about 2 1/2 months in Timber Ridge
Ranch, a neuro rehab facility. My Glasco Comma score was 8 out of a max of
15.
I think that full self drive is needed, but I do not trust it yet. In
10 or 20 years it will probably be good enough to be required in most if
not all cases.
Bobby Keeland, PhD
(Research Scientist, Retired from the US Geological Survey, not a medical
doctor)
Arnaudville, Louisiana
On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 5:47 PM John Lussmyer via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:
On 12/3/2024 3:29 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
> I'm not just talking about Tesla. This applies to all attempts to
remotely
> control "autonomous" vehicles.
You make it sound like the "Autonomous" part doesn't, and can't exist.
It does exist, and it's getting better fast. I use it. A lot.
The existing Robo taxis from non-tesla shops have human drivers - for
the (frequent) odd cases that the car can't handle itself. They are NOT
being remotely driven all the time. The remote is used when the car
gets into a situation it can't handle, which usually means "Stopped
somewhere due to weird circumstances". It does not mean "ask for help
because it's currently flying upside down through the air".
I'm quite sure that Tesla is hiring "drivers" because this is a NEW
PRODUCT being rolled out for the first time - AND they want it to go well.
It's called being careful, and being able to prevent a public relations
disaster. They really don't want a litigation nightmare.
Planning to handle unexpected events is generally considered a good idea.
FSD is damn good already, and I don't even have the latest version.
Yes, it's not perfect. Though it appears to be a better driver than
many people I see on the road.
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