it does sound like a shame they went with hub motors.  Otherwise, the vehicle is something I could consider buying.  Well, I'll keep an eye out for early owner reports and maybe if they seem "ok", I'll still consider it someday.  Or maybe if the company gets harsh feedback from owners it will redesign the vehicle to incorporate non-hub motors.

On 7/11/2023 4:57 AM, jerry freedomev wrote:
Hi Josh and All,
  Hub motors are bad for 2 reasons, they have little start up torque and to make up for they require heavy powerful motors. They are great in non suspension Ebikes, etc where it can be much smaller as gets help with a leg push/pedal for starting up. As a lightweight EVer I was wondering how bad the unsprung weight would be with the Aptera.   Indications came from a Jay Leno drive vid in one the fixed camera showed it to be noticeable to me but not bad.  I'd keep it on smoother roads when possible as I do with my light EVs. I'd suggest a good seat, it shouldn't be a problem.  Too bad they went complicated when the original design with a geared rear motor instead it would cost much less to build and better handling, more starting power could be in production.
Jerry Dycus

On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 10:37:54 PM PDT, Josh Landess via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:


I hadn't noticed that they were using the hub motors, thanks for
pointing this up.  I will be a bit more cautious before I consider
getting one, though I'll still keep open the possibility. On top of the
other risks they seem to be asking from their pioneer first customers,
that one seems like a notable one.

On 7/9/2023 5:14 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote:
> Thanks for those informative videos. It still isn't real world data.
>
> There is a reason nobody is using wheel motors on highway capable
> vehicles.
>
>
> On 7/8/2023 8:51 PM, Ryan Fulcher wrote:
>> So this?
>> https://youtu.be/CqPMtEIT3f4
>>
>> Or this:
>> https://youtu.be/1alRUqx9UX8
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 17:46 Alan Arrison via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     I was excited about the Aptera until I saw the hub motors.
>>
>>     I'll pass until I see some real world reliability demonstrated.
>>
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