Hi Josh and All,  Hub motors are bad for 2 reasons, they have little start up 
torque and to make up for they require heavy powerful motors.   They are great 
in non suspension Ebikes, etc where it can be much smaller as gets help with a 
leg push/pedal for starting up.As a lightweight EVer I was wondering how bad 
the unsprung weight would be with the Aptera.   Indications came from a Jay 
Leno drive vid in one the fixed camera showed it to be noticeable to me but not 
bad.  I'd keep it on smoother roads when possible as I do with my light EVs.I'd 
suggest a good seat, it shouldn't be a problem.  Too bad they went complicated 
when the original design with a geared rear motor instead it would cost much 
less to build and better handling, more starting power could be in 
production.Jerry Dycus  
    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 10:37:54 PM PDT, Josh Landess via EV 
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:  
 
 I hadn't noticed that they were using the hub motors, thanks for 
pointing this up.  I will be a bit more cautious before I consider 
getting one, though I'll still keep open the possibility.  On top of the 
other risks they seem to be asking from their pioneer first customers, 
that one seems like a notable one.

On 7/9/2023 5:14 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote:
> Thanks for those informative videos. It still isn't real world data.
>
> There is a reason nobody is using wheel motors on highway capable 
> vehicles.
>
>
> On 7/8/2023 8:51 PM, Ryan Fulcher wrote:
>> So this?
>> https://youtu.be/CqPMtEIT3f4
>>
>> Or this:
>> https://youtu.be/1alRUqx9UX8
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 17:46 Alan Arrison via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>     I was excited about the Aptera until I saw the hub motors.
>>
>>     I'll pass until I see some real world reliability demonstrated.
>>
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