Agreed. That's the trend (mid range delivery vans) and it certainly
makes sense in the commercial environment. I think we'll see some long
range minivans in a few years but they will be oriented towards hauling
lots of people, with expensive infotainment systems and creature
comforts, not for hauling stuff.
Peri
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From: "Mark Abramowitz" <ma...@enviropolicy.com>
To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Sent: 29-May-22 00:16:04
Subject: Re: [EVDL] new topics (Why people dislike Tesla)
I don’t know that you will find a BEV van with that range for awhile.
Commercial use and demand (like package delivery) will be needed first. For
that kind of range, DHL in Europe has said that above 150 km (miles?) it makes
no sense, as the space needed takes away too much from payload space. They’ve
said something like “we get paid for moving packages, not batteries”.
- Mark
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On May 28, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
you're right. In most cases, there's probably a commercially built EV that
will meet one's desires. Conversions are generally not worth the cost or work.
(Although I still consider converting my ancient honda odyssey, since no one is
making an EV minivan that's useful for hauling lots of stuff and has 250+ mile
range.)
But there are new topics which could come up. Here are some that are relevant
to me or could be:
- tradeoffs of changing toe-in to improve range
- hydraulic (or other) lift for higher ground clearance
- how to protect the battery from ground strikes
- what does it take to replace stock wheels and tires with something having
higher sidewalls
- how does one remove the center console (bedroom closet, these days) for more
free space
- kit to reduce drag coefficient (some cars look like barges)
Peri
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------ Original Message ------
From: "EV List Lackey via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: "EV List Lackey" <evp...@drmm.net>
Sent: 28-May-22 10:54:52
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla
It's been interesting to watch this thread, and think about how posts here
on the EV list have changed.
The EVDL has been around for over 30 years now. Even as recently as 2008-
10, we were all about conversions. Posts flew by on motor brush advance,
Lovejoy couplers, adapter plates, controllers, battery temps, charger
efficiency and isolation, cooling, heating, BMSes, suspension tweaks, belly
pans, power steering drives, brake vacuum, front wheel toe, tire inflation
pressures, rolling resistance, disk brake drag ... on and on and on. Who
can forget the debates over clutch vs clutchless, flooded vs AGM, AC vs DC?
We were literally designing EVs here, one at a time.
Now it's 2022. We've had 12 years of the Mitsubishi Imiev*, 11 years of the
Nissan Leaf, and 10 of the Tesla S.
What are we talking about now? Dealer service.
Whodathunkit?!
This is the world we all pined for back when we were trying to figure out
how to cram in one more battery and make the automatic transmission shift at
the right points for an ADC FB1-4001, back when Solectria's guys were piling
up Geo Metro mufflers and radiators behind their shop in Wilmington.
Still, I have to admit, I get a little nostalgic now and then. :-\
*The Imiev went out of production in 2019 (I think), but you can still find
a few new copies of the Peugeot Ion and Citroen C-Zero variants in the EU.
In 2021 they sold - drumroll - 18 of them.
David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my
offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt
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If you made a column of things you're pretty sure you know, and
then made another column of how you know those things, most of
that column is like: "Some guy told me." It's just clickbait
and hearsay. Goes into the head, locks onto a feeling, you're
like: "That sounds good. I'm gonna tell other people that." And
that's how brand marketing works, and also fascism, we're
finding.
-- Marc Maron
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