Meh, They claim installing a charger is a required expense, and then base the operating cost on solely using public charging.
I would say that hardly anyone in the USA operates their EV exclusively on the high priced public chargers. Most would either use 'free' chargers, or charge at home. Many charge at home using solar, which makes the operating costs negligible. This study was about basically charging using the worse case scenario for EVs. My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key October 24, 2021 8:48 AM, "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > I had to actually look (skim) at the study. It appears to be a serious look, > and is the first of a > series on the “EV transition”, so they will do more, and much of you will > have to pay for. > > They do *exclude* some costs, so it could be criticized for that, but at > least they are transparent > in their methodology. That lends itself to making intelligent criticisms > (Iike their cost numbers > on Level 1 chargers), and repeating the analysis with different assumptions. > > As far as Level 1, they acknowledge that most vehicles come with that. They > amortize the cost over > five years (seems a bit short to me, but I don’t know how often they fail). > They assume that if you > mostly charge at home, you will install Level 2, with an annual cost of $320 . > > $120/year is for level 1 - my guess is that they assume that even if you get > it with car, you are > still paying for it, though if the retail replacement cost is $600, using > that number seems > excessive. I’m guessing on this, and perhaps a closer look would provide more > clarity. But there is > nothing to prevent you from going back and subtracting out that annual cost. > > In my opinion, even if you don’t like the assumptions, if you’re into this > kind of analysis, this > is a serious effort, and worthwhile for assessing and modifying the very > detailed methodology. > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > >> On Oct 24, 2021, at 12:15 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> wrote: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> >> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:22:08 -0700 >> >> From: Mark Abramowitz <ma...@enviropolicy.com> >> >> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not >> >> so free press. >> >> Message-ID: <a31f823a-5cf7-488c-b87e-5b5901afb...@enviropolicy.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I know nothing about Level 1 charger costs, so did a quick Google, found >> this: >> >> https://blog.carvana.com/2021/07/how-much-does-it-cost-to-install-an-ev-charger >> >> ? For example, the Level 1 charger costs between $300 to $600 before labor, >> which stands at about >> $1,000 to $1,700.? >> >> Is this wrong? >> >> - Mark >> >> Sent from my Fossil Fuel powered iPhone >> >> Very wrong. For one thing level one evse are standard OEM equipment that >> comes with the car. Most >> garages have a level one plug which is the same plug a cell phone, toaster >> or lamp would use. No >> one would permanently install a level one EVSE. I don't bother permanently >> installing my level 2 >> EVSE. If you needed level one they are about $175 on eBay. If you looked you >> could probably find >> one cheaper. That's why I was out when she said $600 for level 1. That is >> absurd. Lawrence Rhodes >> _______________________________________________ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
