The thing is Peri,
There are so many possibilities while driving how can one ever test software
enough to know
that you have covered every likely possibility. Even so, when there is a crash
and I am sitting
in the backseat letting the vehicle drive who is responsible for the damage,
injuries or possible death?
Tesla leaves the responsibility on the driver and I'm not sure it will ever
move away from that model.
From: Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless
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I think the big issue will be dealing with the nature of the crashes.
While we have plenty of accidents and fatalities with human drivers
today, most of the time those humans mitigate the accident by reacting
and doing something. That probably helps, even if the result includes a
fatality (but some survivors). Putting statistics aside for a moment,
consider that you are "helpless" in an autonomous car crash.
With autonomous vehicles, I see most failures as being catastrophic.
That is, the software will be completely unaware there is a pending
crash. Of course, it depends on the details of the situation.
Regardless, I think - if enough autonomous car deaths occur - people
will fear the prospect of a catastrophic crash more than they fear being
involved in a mitigated human-controlled crash.
In other words, if you are a safe, alert driver, will you be
statistically more likely to die in an autonomous car crash then in one
where you are in control - or vice versa? Overall, I'm quite certain the
statistics will point to the autonomous car being safer. But maybe not
for a small percentage of truly careful drivers.
Peri
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a
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>Hi Paul,
>No problem - you are free to disagree.
>I predict that within 10 years nobody wants to deal with all those
>distracted drivers who are trying to drive while also staying in
>contact with their family, answering customers and colleagues and
>keeping their Facebook status updated. (Almost) everyone will gladly
>give the challenges of navigating the road to the self-driving car in
>the same way that you hire a driver today to bring you without the
>stress and fatigue of driving yourself.
>Indeed, there will be accidents and fatalities. But face it - today
>there are plenty of those as well without the machines, simply because
>humans take a risk. Yesterday I almost crashed because someone decided
>that they should try to cross the street coming from behind a van
>blocking the view of oncoming traffic.
>
>Blinded by glaring sunlight? Indeed a cause of many crashes today.
>Totally preventable with good sensors. Radar is not bothered by
>sunlight.
>
>I think Tesla and others are onto something good when they see that
>long distance transportation and taxi services are where a lot of money
>can be found, though I suspect that a long-distance truck will still
>have one human on board (compared to two today, where they drive
>alternatingly today to keep the vehicle on the road as much as
>possible). In future the truck will drive itself while lumbering along
>on the freeway while the human sleeps/rests. At source and destination
>as well as at (recharge) stops, the human will take over and drive the
>truck and do all that is necessary to load/unload.
>
>But hey, I have been wrong before so, as always: time will tell.
>
>The fact that many dozens of Google self-driving cars are already on
>the road and without much problems, tells me which direction we are
>headed.
>
>Cor van de Water
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>From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of paul dove via
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>Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:03 AM
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>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launchas
>adriverless(autonomous) Lyft platform
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>Cor,
>I disagree completely. It is likely we will never have self driving
>vehicles on the freeway or in any other venue.Personally I think this
>is an exercise doomed to failure. The road is a complicated place and
>cannot be compared toair flight where few obstacles are encountered.
>This is evidenced by the Tesla that drove under the Semi.
>One day I was driving and the vehicle in front of me swerved because of
>an obstacle in the roadway and of courseI ran over it. It was a piece
>of tire from a Semi which flipped up and tore a gash in my drivers
>door. How are
>sensors going to detect things like that? Or lets say there's a sudden
>downpour, or you crest a hill and there's blindingsunlight I believe
>that many will attempt this and it will end in failure. It's one this t
>insure individuals it's a wholenew thing to insure software..... after
>all if the cars driving then the cars at fault....... who pays?
>
> From: Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]>
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as
>adriverless(autonomous) Lyft platform
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>Paul,
>
>The reason they only go 25 MPH is simply that Google wanted a car fast
>and so had to choose to classify them as NEV. Any other 4-wheeled
>vehicle would have needed crash testing which is not only expensive and
>difficult but also a lengthy process. It makes no sense if you are just
>creating a testing platform with a few hundred vehicles.
>Of course 25 MPH helps in getting slightly longer reaction times due to
>low speed, but that is not a concern for Google, they wanted experience
>with a self-driving platform in daily traffic situations and that is
>what they are getting, never mind that these vehicles can't go on the
>freeway - the freeway is not a very interesting place for a
>self-driving
>vehicle.
>
>Cars being for sale or not has no bearing on the concerns from the
>posters stating that they do not want to be around self-driving cars,
>well in downtown Mountain View you can't avoid that...
>
>Cor van de Water
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>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:39 PM
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>While technically Google cars can drive around they only travel a max
>speed of 25mph. They are intended as couriers and they aren't for sale
>as far as I know.
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