Hi Paul,
No problem - you are free to disagree.
I predict that within 10 years nobody wants to deal with all those distracted 
drivers who are trying to drive while also staying in contact with their 
family, answering customers and colleagues and keeping their Facebook status 
updated. (Almost) everyone will gladly give the challenges of navigating the 
road to the self-driving car in the same way that you hire a driver today to 
bring you without the stress and fatigue of driving yourself.
Indeed, there will be accidents and fatalities. But face it - today there are 
plenty of those as well without the machines, simply because humans take a 
risk. Yesterday I almost crashed because someone decided that they should try 
to cross the street coming from behind a van blocking the view of oncoming 
traffic.

Blinded by glaring sunlight? Indeed a cause of many crashes today. Totally 
preventable with good sensors. Radar is not bothered by sunlight.

I think Tesla and others are onto something good when they see that long 
distance transportation and taxi services are where a lot of money can be 
found, though I suspect that a long-distance truck will still have one human on 
board (compared to two today, where they drive alternatingly today to keep the 
vehicle on the road as much as possible). In future the truck will drive itself 
while lumbering along on the freeway while the human sleeps/rests. At source 
and destination as well as at (recharge) stops, the human will take over and 
drive the truck and do all that is necessary to load/unload.

But hey, I have been wrong before so, as always: time will tell.

The fact that many dozens of Google self-driving cars are already on the road 
and without much problems, tells me which direction we are headed.

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From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of paul dove via EV
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launchas 
adriverless(autonomous) Lyft platform

Cor,
I disagree completely. It is likely we will never have self driving vehicles on 
the freeway or in any other venue.Personally I think this is an exercise doomed 
to failure. The road is a complicated place and cannot be compared toair flight 
where few obstacles are encountered. This is evidenced by the Tesla that drove 
under the Semi. 
One day I was driving and the vehicle in front of me swerved because of an 
obstacle in the roadway and of courseI ran over it. It was a piece of tire from 
a Semi which flipped up and tore a gash in my drivers door. How are 
sensors going to detect things like that? Or lets say there's a sudden 
downpour, or you crest a hill and there's blindingsunlight I believe that many 
will attempt this and it will end in failure. It's one this t insure 
individuals it's a wholenew thing to insure software..... after all if the cars 
driving then the cars at fault....... who pays?

      From: Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]>
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 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as 
adriverless(autonomous) Lyft platform
   
Paul,

The reason they only go 25 MPH is simply that Google wanted a car fast
and so had to choose to classify them as NEV. Any other 4-wheeled
vehicle would have needed crash testing which is not only expensive and
difficult but also a lengthy process. It makes no sense if you are just
creating a testing platform with a few hundred vehicles.
Of course 25 MPH helps in getting slightly longer reaction times due to
low speed, but that is not a concern for Google, they wanted experience
with a self-driving platform in daily traffic situations and that is
what they are getting, never mind that these vehicles can't go on the
freeway - the freeway is not a very interesting place for a self-driving
vehicle.

Cars being for sale or not has no bearing on the concerns from the
posters stating that they do not want to be around self-driving cars,
well in downtown Mountain View you can't avoid that...

Cor van de Water 
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:39 PM
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Subject: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as
adriverless(autonomous) Lyft platform

While technically Google cars can drive around they only travel a max
speed of 25mph. They are intended as couriers and they aren't for sale
as far as I know.
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