Got it. Thx.
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Jukka Järvinen <[email protected]> wrote: > > No. I'm saying there were tons of gasoline powered scooters and motorcycles > in the cities in China (like Shenzhen). Now they have been replaced by > electric scooters and electric bicycles. The electric scooter is usually with > SLA batteries and weights about 120kg (270 lbs). The electric bicycle is also > with SLA and weights about 65kg (147 lbs). Those electric bicycles have also > pedals like normal bicycles but they are just for emergency use. One just > twist the grip and zip away. No pedaling needed. One can see lighter electric > bicycles (20kg/45 lbs) too which have li-ion battery under the cargo rack > behind the seat. Sometimes there is actually another padded seat instead > cargo rack. It's for one to 8 passengers. XD > I think the three wheeled motorcycle-tractor is still the most common vehicle > in China just after standard bicycle. > -Jukka > > > 2015-08-24 20:13 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]>: >> Very interesting. >> So you're saying that there are tons of gasoline-powered assisted bikes in >> China, and that these are what's being replaced, not non-assisted bikes. >> >> I've never been to China, so I really don't know. I appreciate the >> information. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:22 AM, Jukka Järvinen <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > When the comparison is done fair we should look what the electric bike >> > replaces. We should not compare unaided bicycles to electrically assisted >> > ones. >> > >> > In China many electric bicycles are much sturdier than ones without >> > electric assistance. So one can zip away on the streets with the bike and >> > 3 other family members on it. While this is getting rarer sight in China >> > as many are switching to cars or small three wheeled EVs this still is >> > quite common. Things are changing as they have money for cars. People use >> > electric assisted bicycles in there also because they wish to get around >> > without being in need to change the clothes couple times a day. It get's >> > hot and humidity is high. In this case electric bicycle replaces gasoline >> > scooter/motorcycle which also stink and the smell is on the clothes for >> > the rest of the day. >> > >> > Usually pedals are on those 'bicycles' only for the situation if the >> > battery dies. Depleted or just completely dies. >> > >> > Average food delivery person with bicycle would not be an average Joe or >> > Jane. It takes commitment to the sport. In NYC there are bicycle lanes >> > (right?). So taking scooter/motorcycle there would be illegal. Assisted >> > bicycles are allowed on those lanes (usually) and one can get pretty >> > quickly from point A to B. A hybrid solution which has good things from >> > bicycles and scooters. >> > >> > China has taken leaps towards cleaner transportation and CO2 free >> > electricity generation. Not saying anyone else would not be doing the same >> > but in China case they are trying to avoid mistakes we have done in the >> > past and are going to leave some things undone. This is why I stated what >> > I did. EVs are a standard in China traffic already. More miles are driven >> > in many places with electric bicycles/scooters/etc than with gasoline >> > cars/scooters/motorcycles. They are getting to the broader end of the >> > hockey stick far faster than us. >> > >> > -Jukka >> > >> > >> > 2015-08-23 3:35 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]>: >> >> Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted >> >> bikes? >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> > On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Jukka Järvinen <[email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this >> >> > is standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without >> >> > a single scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is >> >> > exactly the opposite situation in most US cities. Right? >> >> > >> >> > The thing to observe here could be how Chinese drive billions of >> >> > electric miles every day. Now that's something to talk about! >> >> > >> >> > BR, >> >> > Jukka >> >> > >> >> > 22.8.2015 22.19 "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <[email protected]> kirjoitti: >> >> >> Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the >> >> >> electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089 >> >> >> > Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland >> >> >> > Tunnel >> >> >> > against traffic >> >> >> > BY Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > [images / Port Authority Police Department >> >> >> > http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg >> >> >> > (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority Police >> >> >> > when he >> >> >> > rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel, weaving >> >> >> > against >> >> >> > traffic >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1-web.jpg >> >> >> > Bu was riding this electric bike through the tunnel, going against >> >> >> > traffic. >> >> >> > He was making an early morning food delivery, according to law >> >> >> > enforcement >> >> >> > sources. >> >> >> > ] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > This was a wheely bad idea. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > A deliveryman on an electric bicycle was arrested after he zipped >> >> >> > into the >> >> >> > Holland Tunnel against traffic and veered around oncoming cars as he >> >> >> > made >> >> >> > his way across the Hudson River span, officials said Friday. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, and his motorized bike entered the westbound lane >> >> >> > at the >> >> >> > Manhattan end of the tunnel at 7 p.m. Thursday and was seen >> >> >> > recklessly >> >> >> > riding around traffic, ignoring signs and verbal instructions to >> >> >> > pull over, >> >> >> > according to Port Authority spokesman Joe Pentangelo. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Bu, who was delivering Chinese food according to law enforcement >> >> >> > sources, >> >> >> > was ultimately grabbed about 20 yards into the tunnel and charged >> >> >> > with >> >> >> > criminal trespass. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > His wrong-way trip through the tunnel caused a short traffic >> >> >> > disruption, >> >> >> > but no one was hurt, officials said. >> >> >> > [© 2015 NYDailyNews.com] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Food-Delivery-Cyclist-Rushes-Wrong-Way-Through-Holland-Tunnel-Cops-321972742.html >> >> >> > Food Delivery Cyclist Rushes Wrong Way Through Holland Tunnel: Cops >> >> >> > Aug 15, 2015 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > [image >> >> >> > http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/676*367/81515tunnel.jpg >> >> >> > (mugshot) >> >> >> > ] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > A restaurant delivery person apparently disappointed hungry >> >> >> > customers after >> >> >> > being arrested by police who said he was weaving through oncoming >> >> >> > traffic in >> >> >> > the wrong lane of the Holland Tunnel. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, recklessly dodged oncoming traffic, ignored signs >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > verbal instructions to stop while making a food delivery Friday >> >> >> > evening on >> >> >> > an electric-powered bicycle, Port Authority police said Saturday. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Bu was apprehended at the tunnel exit and charged with criminal >> >> >> > trespass, >> >> >> > police said. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > There was no information as to whether Bu had obtained a lawyer who >> >> >> > could >> >> >> > comment on the charge. >> >> >> > [© nydailynews.com] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://cliffviewpilot.com/manhattan-deliveryman-caught-riding-electric-bicycle-through-holland-tunnel/ >> >> >> > Manhattan deliveryman caught riding electric bicycle through Holland >> >> >> > Tunnel >> >> >> > by: Jerry DeMarco August 14, 2015 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > BEYOND BERGEN: A lower Manhattan deliveryman rode an electric bicycle >> >> >> > through the Holland Tunnel last night, skirting traffic and ignoring >> >> >> > orders >> >> >> > to stop, before officers grabbed him on the New Jersey tube. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, was delivering food when he “recklessly” drove >> >> >> > through the >> >> >> > tunnel around 7 p.m., the authority’s Joseph Pentangelo told >> >> >> > CLIFFVIEW >> >> >> > PILOT. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Port Authority tunnel and bridge agents combined with PAPD officers >> >> >> > to take >> >> >> > him into custody just inside the exit, he said. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The tunnel was cleared and checked for safety reasons, Pentangelo >> >> >> > said. >> >> >> > [© 2015 Cliffview Pilot] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/lost_deliveryman_rides_wrong-way_into_holland_tunnel_officials_say.html >> >> >> > Lost deliveryman rides wrong-way into Holland Tunnel, officials say >> >> >> > By Noah Cohen | August 15, 2015 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > NEW YORK — A Chinese food deliveryman trying to bring an order to a >> >> >> > Manhattan address got lost, and ended up riding his electric-powered >> >> >> > bicycle >> >> >> > into oncoming traffic at the Holland Tunnel before he was arrested, >> >> >> > officials and reports said Friday. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, piloted the bike around traffic coming from Jersey >> >> >> > City, >> >> >> > ignoring signs and instructions to stop Thursday night, according to >> >> >> > Port >> >> >> > Authority police spokesman Joe Pentangelo. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Workers noticed the wayward biker and waved their hands to stop him, >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > source told The New York Post. Bu, however, was undeterred. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Officials slowed traffic on the New Jersey side before Port >> >> >> > Authority Police >> >> >> > officer Eric Brozek caught up to Bu about 100 yards into the tube, >> >> >> > according >> >> >> > to the newspaper. Police deployed a dog to sniff for explosives as a >> >> >> > precaution after the incident. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The spokesman said Bu was charged with criminal trespass. >> >> >> > [© 2015 New Jersey On-Line] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > [dated] >> >> >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-NYPD-busting-and-seizing-escooters-and-ebicycles-tp4676711.html >> >> >> > EVLN: NYPD busting and seizing escooters and ebicycles >> >> >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-NYPD-busting-seizing-escooters-ebicycles-tp4676717p4676718.html >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > For EVLN posts use: >> >> >> > http://evdl.org/evln/ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > {brucedp.150m.com} >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > View this message in context: >> >> >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Bu-s-e-wheely-bad-idea-weaving-recklessly-the-wrongway-HT-delivery-tp4677238.html >> >> >> > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive >> >> >> > at Nabble.com. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >> >> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> >> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> >> >> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> >> >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150822/3b0000ed/attachment.htm> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150824/7e977b12/attachment.htm> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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