Very interesting. So you're saying that there are tons of gasoline-powered assisted bikes in China, and that these are what's being replaced, not non-assisted bikes.
I've never been to China, so I really don't know. I appreciate the information. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:22 AM, Jukka Järvinen <[email protected]> wrote: > > When the comparison is done fair we should look what the electric bike > replaces. We should not compare unaided bicycles to electrically assisted > ones. > > In China many electric bicycles are much sturdier than ones without electric > assistance. So one can zip away on the streets with the bike and 3 other > family members on it. While this is getting rarer sight in China as many are > switching to cars or small three wheeled EVs this still is quite common. > Things are changing as they have money for cars. People use electric assisted > bicycles in there also because they wish to get around without being in need > to change the clothes couple times a day. It get's hot and humidity is high. > In this case electric bicycle replaces gasoline scooter/motorcycle which also > stink and the smell is on the clothes for the rest of the day. > > Usually pedals are on those 'bicycles' only for the situation if the battery > dies. Depleted or just completely dies. > > Average food delivery person with bicycle would not be an average Joe or > Jane. It takes commitment to the sport. In NYC there are bicycle lanes > (right?). So taking scooter/motorcycle there would be illegal. Assisted > bicycles are allowed on those lanes (usually) and one can get pretty quickly > from point A to B. A hybrid solution which has good things from bicycles and > scooters. > > China has taken leaps towards cleaner transportation and CO2 free electricity > generation. Not saying anyone else would not be doing the same but in China > case they are trying to avoid mistakes we have done in the past and are going > to leave some things undone. This is why I stated what I did. EVs are a > standard in China traffic already. More miles are driven in many places with > electric bicycles/scooters/etc than with gasoline cars/scooters/motorcycles. > They are getting to the broader end of the hockey stick far faster than us. > > -Jukka > > > 2015-08-23 3:35 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]>: >> Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Jukka Järvinen <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this is >> > standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without a >> > single scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is exactly >> > the opposite situation in most US cities. Right? >> > >> > The thing to observe here could be how Chinese drive billions of electric >> > miles every day. Now that's something to talk about! >> > >> > BR, >> > Jukka >> > >> > 22.8.2015 22.19 "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <[email protected]> kirjoitti: >> >> Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the >> >> electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> > On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089 >> >> > Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland Tunnel >> >> > against traffic >> >> > BY Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015 >> >> > >> >> > [images / Port Authority Police Department >> >> > http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg >> >> > (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority Police >> >> > when he >> >> > rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel, weaving >> >> > against >> >> > traffic >> >> > >> >> > http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1-web.jpg >> >> > Bu was riding this electric bike through the tunnel, going against >> >> > traffic. >> >> > He was making an early morning food delivery, according to law >> >> > enforcement >> >> > sources. >> >> > ] >> >> > >> >> > This was a wheely bad idea. >> >> > >> >> > A deliveryman on an electric bicycle was arrested after he zipped into >> >> > the >> >> > Holland Tunnel against traffic and veered around oncoming cars as he >> >> > made >> >> > his way across the Hudson River span, officials said Friday. >> >> > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, and his motorized bike entered the westbound lane at >> >> > the >> >> > Manhattan end of the tunnel at 7 p.m. Thursday and was seen recklessly >> >> > riding around traffic, ignoring signs and verbal instructions to pull >> >> > over, >> >> > according to Port Authority spokesman Joe Pentangelo. >> >> > >> >> > Bu, who was delivering Chinese food according to law enforcement >> >> > sources, >> >> > was ultimately grabbed about 20 yards into the tunnel and charged with >> >> > criminal trespass. >> >> > >> >> > His wrong-way trip through the tunnel caused a short traffic disruption, >> >> > but no one was hurt, officials said. >> >> > [© 2015 NYDailyNews.com] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Food-Delivery-Cyclist-Rushes-Wrong-Way-Through-Holland-Tunnel-Cops-321972742.html >> >> > Food Delivery Cyclist Rushes Wrong Way Through Holland Tunnel: Cops >> >> > Aug 15, 2015 >> >> > >> >> > [image >> >> > http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/676*367/81515tunnel.jpg >> >> > (mugshot) >> >> > ] >> >> > >> >> > A restaurant delivery person apparently disappointed hungry customers >> >> > after >> >> > being arrested by police who said he was weaving through oncoming >> >> > traffic in >> >> > the wrong lane of the Holland Tunnel. >> >> > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, recklessly dodged oncoming traffic, ignored signs and >> >> > verbal instructions to stop while making a food delivery Friday evening >> >> > on >> >> > an electric-powered bicycle, Port Authority police said Saturday. >> >> > >> >> > Bu was apprehended at the tunnel exit and charged with criminal >> >> > trespass, >> >> > police said. >> >> > >> >> > There was no information as to whether Bu had obtained a lawyer who >> >> > could >> >> > comment on the charge. >> >> > [© nydailynews.com] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://cliffviewpilot.com/manhattan-deliveryman-caught-riding-electric-bicycle-through-holland-tunnel/ >> >> > Manhattan deliveryman caught riding electric bicycle through Holland >> >> > Tunnel >> >> > by: Jerry DeMarco August 14, 2015 >> >> > >> >> > BEYOND BERGEN: A lower Manhattan deliveryman rode an electric bicycle >> >> > through the Holland Tunnel last night, skirting traffic and ignoring >> >> > orders >> >> > to stop, before officers grabbed him on the New Jersey tube. >> >> > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, was delivering food when he “recklessly” drove through >> >> > the >> >> > tunnel around 7 p.m., the authority’s Joseph Pentangelo told CLIFFVIEW >> >> > PILOT. >> >> > >> >> > Port Authority tunnel and bridge agents combined with PAPD officers to >> >> > take >> >> > him into custody just inside the exit, he said. >> >> > >> >> > The tunnel was cleared and checked for safety reasons, Pentangelo said. >> >> > [© 2015 Cliffview Pilot] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/lost_deliveryman_rides_wrong-way_into_holland_tunnel_officials_say.html >> >> > Lost deliveryman rides wrong-way into Holland Tunnel, officials say >> >> > By Noah Cohen | August 15, 2015 >> >> > >> >> > NEW YORK — A Chinese food deliveryman trying to bring an order to a >> >> > Manhattan address got lost, and ended up riding his electric-powered >> >> > bicycle >> >> > into oncoming traffic at the Holland Tunnel before he was arrested, >> >> > officials and reports said Friday. >> >> > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, piloted the bike around traffic coming from Jersey >> >> > City, >> >> > ignoring signs and instructions to stop Thursday night, according to >> >> > Port >> >> > Authority police spokesman Joe Pentangelo. >> >> > >> >> > Workers noticed the wayward biker and waved their hands to stop him, a >> >> > source told The New York Post. Bu, however, was undeterred. >> >> > >> >> > Officials slowed traffic on the New Jersey side before Port Authority >> >> > Police >> >> > officer Eric Brozek caught up to Bu about 100 yards into the tube, >> >> > according >> >> > to the newspaper. Police deployed a dog to sniff for explosives as a >> >> > precaution after the incident. >> >> > >> >> > The spokesman said Bu was charged with criminal trespass. >> >> > [© 2015 New Jersey On-Line] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [dated] >> >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-NYPD-busting-and-seizing-escooters-and-ebicycles-tp4676711.html >> >> > EVLN: NYPD busting and seizing escooters and ebicycles >> >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-NYPD-busting-seizing-escooters-ebicycles-tp4676717p4676718.html >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > For EVLN posts use: >> >> > http://evdl.org/evln/ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > {brucedp.150m.com} >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > View this message in context: >> >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Bu-s-e-wheely-bad-idea-weaving-recklessly-the-wrongway-HT-delivery-tp4677238.html >> >> > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at >> >> > Nabble.com. >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> >> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150822/3b0000ed/attachment.htm> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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