No. I'm saying there were tons of gasoline powered scooters and motorcycles in the cities in China (like Shenzhen). Now they have been replaced by electric scooters and electric bicycles. The electric scooter is usually with SLA batteries and weights about 120kg (270 lbs). The electric bicycle is also with SLA and weights about 65kg (147 lbs). Those electric bicycles have also pedals like normal bicycles but they are just for emergency use. One just twist the grip and zip away. No pedaling needed. One can see lighter electric bicycles (20kg/45 lbs) too which have li-ion battery under the cargo rack behind the seat. Sometimes there is actually another padded seat instead cargo rack. It's for one to 8 passengers. XD I think the three wheeled motorcycle-tractor is still the most common vehicle in China just after standard bicycle. -Jukka
2015-08-24 20:13 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]>: > Very interesting. > So you're saying that there are tons of gasoline-powered assisted bikes in > China, and that these are what's being replaced, not non-assisted bikes. > > I've never been to China, so I really don't know. I appreciate the > information. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:22 AM, Jukka Järvinen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > When the comparison is done fair we should look what the electric bike > replaces. We should not compare unaided bicycles to electrically assisted > ones. > > > > In China many electric bicycles are much sturdier than ones without > electric assistance. So one can zip away on the streets with the bike and 3 > other family members on it. While this is getting rarer sight in China as > many are switching to cars or small three wheeled EVs this still is quite > common. Things are changing as they have money for cars. People use > electric assisted bicycles in there also because they wish to get around > without being in need to change the clothes couple times a day. It get's > hot and humidity is high. In this case electric bicycle replaces gasoline > scooter/motorcycle which also stink and the smell is on the clothes for the > rest of the day. > > > > Usually pedals are on those 'bicycles' only for the situation if the > battery dies. Depleted or just completely dies. > > > > Average food delivery person with bicycle would not be an average Joe or > Jane. It takes commitment to the sport. In NYC there are bicycle lanes > (right?). So taking scooter/motorcycle there would be illegal. Assisted > bicycles are allowed on those lanes (usually) and one can get pretty > quickly from point A to B. A hybrid solution which has good things from > bicycles and scooters. > > > > China has taken leaps towards cleaner transportation and CO2 free > electricity generation. Not saying anyone else would not be doing the same > but in China case they are trying to avoid mistakes we have done in the > past and are going to leave some things undone. This is why I stated what I > did. EVs are a standard in China traffic already. More miles are driven in > many places with electric bicycles/scooters/etc than with gasoline > cars/scooters/motorcycles. They are getting to the broader end of the > hockey stick far faster than us. > > > > -Jukka > > > > > > 2015-08-23 3:35 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]>: > >> Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted > bikes? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Jukka Järvinen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As > this is standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without > a single scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is > exactly the opposite situation in most US cities. Right? > >> > > >> > The thing to observe here could be how Chinese drive billions of > electric miles every day. Now that's something to talk about! > >> > > >> > BR, > >> > Jukka > >> > > >> > 22.8.2015 22.19 "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <[email protected]> > kirjoitti: > >> >> Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that > the electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy. > >> >> > >> >> Sent from my iPhone > >> >> > >> >> > On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089 > >> >> > Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland > Tunnel > >> >> > against traffic > >> >> > BY Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015 > >> >> > > >> >> > [images / Port Authority Police Department > >> >> > > http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg > >> >> > (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority > Police when he > >> >> > rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel, > weaving against > >> >> > traffic > >> >> > > >> >> > > http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1-web.jpg > >> >> > Bu was riding this electric bike through the tunnel, going against > traffic. > >> >> > He was making an early morning food delivery, according to law > enforcement > >> >> > sources. > >> >> > ] > >> >> > > >> >> > This was a wheely bad idea. > >> >> > > >> >> > A deliveryman on an electric bicycle was arrested after he zipped > into the > >> >> > Holland Tunnel against traffic and veered around oncoming cars as > he made > >> >> > his way across the Hudson River span, officials said Friday. > >> >> > > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, and his motorized bike entered the westbound lane > at the > >> >> > Manhattan end of the tunnel at 7 p.m. Thursday and was seen > recklessly > >> >> > riding around traffic, ignoring signs and verbal instructions to > pull over, > >> >> > according to Port Authority spokesman Joe Pentangelo. > >> >> > > >> >> > Bu, who was delivering Chinese food according to law enforcement > sources, > >> >> > was ultimately grabbed about 20 yards into the tunnel and charged > with > >> >> > criminal trespass. > >> >> > > >> >> > His wrong-way trip through the tunnel caused a short traffic > disruption, > >> >> > but no one was hurt, officials said. > >> >> > [© 2015 NYDailyNews.com] > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Food-Delivery-Cyclist-Rushes-Wrong-Way-Through-Holland-Tunnel-Cops-321972742.html > >> >> > Food Delivery Cyclist Rushes Wrong Way Through Holland Tunnel: Cops > >> >> > Aug 15, 2015 > >> >> > > >> >> > [image > >> >> > http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/676*367/81515tunnel.jpg > >> >> > (mugshot) > >> >> > ] > >> >> > > >> >> > A restaurant delivery person apparently disappointed hungry > customers after > >> >> > being arrested by police who said he was weaving through oncoming > traffic in > >> >> > the wrong lane of the Holland Tunnel. > >> >> > > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, recklessly dodged oncoming traffic, ignored signs > and > >> >> > verbal instructions to stop while making a food delivery Friday > evening on > >> >> > an electric-powered bicycle, Port Authority police said Saturday. > >> >> > > >> >> > Bu was apprehended at the tunnel exit and charged with criminal > trespass, > >> >> > police said. > >> >> > > >> >> > There was no information as to whether Bu had obtained a lawyer > who could > >> >> > comment on the charge. > >> >> > [© nydailynews.com] > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > http://cliffviewpilot.com/manhattan-deliveryman-caught-riding-electric-bicycle-through-holland-tunnel/ > >> >> > Manhattan deliveryman caught riding electric bicycle through > Holland Tunnel > >> >> > by: Jerry DeMarco August 14, 2015 > >> >> > > >> >> > BEYOND BERGEN: A lower Manhattan deliveryman rode an electric > bicycle > >> >> > through the Holland Tunnel last night, skirting traffic and > ignoring orders > >> >> > to stop, before officers grabbed him on the New Jersey tube. > >> >> > > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, was delivering food when he “recklessly” drove > through the > >> >> > tunnel around 7 p.m., the authority’s Joseph Pentangelo told > CLIFFVIEW > >> >> > PILOT. > >> >> > > >> >> > Port Authority tunnel and bridge agents combined with PAPD > officers to take > >> >> > him into custody just inside the exit, he said. > >> >> > > >> >> > The tunnel was cleared and checked for safety reasons, Pentangelo > said. > >> >> > [© 2015 Cliffview Pilot] > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/lost_deliveryman_rides_wrong-way_into_holland_tunnel_officials_say.html > >> >> > Lost deliveryman rides wrong-way into Holland Tunnel, officials say > >> >> > By Noah Cohen | August 15, 2015 > >> >> > > >> >> > NEW YORK — A Chinese food deliveryman trying to bring an order to a > >> >> > Manhattan address got lost, and ended up riding his > electric-powered bicycle > >> >> > into oncoming traffic at the Holland Tunnel before he was arrested, > >> >> > officials and reports said Friday. > >> >> > > >> >> > Yongshun Bu, 44, piloted the bike around traffic coming from > Jersey City, > >> >> > ignoring signs and instructions to stop Thursday night, according > to Port > >> >> > Authority police spokesman Joe Pentangelo. > >> >> > > >> >> > Workers noticed the wayward biker and waved their hands to stop > him, a > >> >> > source told The New York Post. Bu, however, was undeterred. > >> >> > > >> >> > Officials slowed traffic on the New Jersey side before Port > Authority Police > >> >> > officer Eric Brozek caught up to Bu about 100 yards into the tube, > according > >> >> > to the newspaper. Police deployed a dog to sniff for explosives as > a > >> >> > precaution after the incident. > >> >> > > >> >> > The spokesman said Bu was charged with criminal trespass. > >> >> > [© 2015 New Jersey On-Line] > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > [dated] > >> >> > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-NYPD-busting-and-seizing-escooters-and-ebicycles-tp4676711.html > >> >> > EVLN: NYPD busting and seizing escooters and ebicycles > >> >> > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-NYPD-busting-seizing-escooters-ebicycles-tp4676717p4676718.html > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > For EVLN posts use: > >> >> > http://evdl.org/evln/ > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > {brucedp.150m.com} > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > View this message in context: > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Bu-s-e-wheely-bad-idea-weaving-recklessly-the-wrongway-HT-delivery-tp4677238.html > >> >> > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list > archive at Nabble.com. > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> >> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> >> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150822/3b0000ed/attachment.htm > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150824/7e977b12/attachment.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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