Must've been mid-90s when I had a little involvement. Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 29, 2014, at 3:56 PM, brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Current USPS mail truck ice > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_LLV > > The opec.org oil-embargo fuel-shortage > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC#1973_oil_embargo > created a need for USPS EVs. > > Here is a KurbWatt postal EV (circa 1984) > http://www.ebaymotorsblog.com/rare-1983-all-electric-kurbwatt-postal-van/ > > https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-history/electric-vehicles.pdf > Scroll down 35% of this page to show some USPS EV history > > At EVS-12 (Electric Vehicle Symposium back in 1994) > http://www.evs27.org/evs-history > Ford was touting how they were supplying EVs to the USPS > http://www.napsnet.com/pdf_archive/33/50509.pdf > > Grumman vehicles replaced the Ford EVs > http://insideevs.com/should-the-us-postal-service-fleet-go-electric/ > > At SF Bay area EAA Chapters at that time, a USPS fleet manager made an > excellent presentation on what they were doing with EVs. This was back when > fuel was ~$1gal in the U.S., see the bottom of > http://www.fveaa.org/docs/newsletters/1994/FVEAA-newsletter-1994-11.pdf > > Sadly, as Lee posted, there were many forces against these EVs (paid-off > sabotaging-efforts, or just people angry from stirred up from anti-EV > hate-talk media-outlets - AM radio, paper-publications, etc. This was back > when the Internet was fledgling). > > circa 2000 data > http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/avta/pdfs/fsev/usps/fleet/2summarysections1_3.pdf > (where is says repairs, substitute sabotage-damaged by vehicle maintenance > personnel) > > The Avcon EVSE charging put in at a few USPS sites was not the full 40A > source but set at 30A, so recharging was slower than it could have been. See > the image 45% down the page > http://www.afdc.energy.gov/pdfs/usps_cs.pdf > If you look 50% down the above page, it shows only a small saving because > fuel was so cheap back then. > > Later, that USPS manager mentioned off the cuff to me that he had > experienced so much resistance and political maneuvering against USPS EVs in > the fleet, he had to kowtow, else get a permanent black-eye against his > career (he wisely chose to protect his income that paid the bills for his > family, and move on to a different job). > > When the USPS trashed their EVs and ripped out all the Avcon EVSE, a local > EAA Chapter was able to get a few of the Avcon EVSE, and re-purpose them as > public EVSE. But that did not work as well as hoped because of the 30A > limitation (like j1772, Avcons usually were connected to a 40A 208-240VAC > source). > > Those USPS Avcon EVSE that the EAA re-purposed are now gone, replaced by > ClipperCreek CS-40 j1772 EVSE as part of a CA state Government program to > upgrade those old public EVSE. > > In other countries, the use of EVs for mail service does not get the > political heat that they do in the use. I have posted newswires on these > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=postal+electric&days=0 > They show that there are many Kangoo, eNV200, and other production EVs that > are in mail service around the world. Of all of these non-U.S. mail service > EVs I have posted, this New Zealand one caught my eye > http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9879622/Posties-test-out-electric-new-rides > > It really seems that like the same dismantling/zev-teeth-removal of CARB > back in the 2000's, has happened again with CARB's change to kowtow to > political and or Oil/Automaker pressure to give EVs less zev credits (non-EV > favoritism). > > <EV-dream-mode> > % Now if we (the EV-cause) only had millions of dollar$ coming from each > person filling their fuel tank at the pump to fight these anti-EV forces ... > % > <EV-dream-mode/> > > > {brucedp.150m.com} > > > > > >> On Sun, Jun 29, 2014, at 01:37 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: >> EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: >>> It appears to me that EVs have not yet been a success in postal >> delivery. I >>> can't understand why not. Anyone with other (I hope more positive) >>> information please post it. >> >> I have some information on this regarding the US Postal Service's >> efforts. >> >> The Post Office itself has always been against the idea. But several >> times, Congress has forced them to try pilot EV programs. As you might >> expect, politics wound up playing a bigger role than engineering. >> >> Many of the suppliers had little or no experience building such >> vehicles. There were thus serious "teething" problems with all vehicle >> systems, not just the EV components (body integrity, safety, brakes, >> steering, etc.) >> >> My father was a mail carrier, and a staunch member of the NALC (postal >> union). The union was dead set against EVs, and their members often went >> out of their way to sabotage the EV pilot programs. >> >> Nevertheless, some of the vehicles that weren't purposely wrecked >> performed well. The EVs from Smith's Electric Vehicles in England did >> very well, since they have been building on-road EV delivery vehicles >> for 50+years. But they couldn't be chosen because they were "foreign". >> AM General supplied some DJ5 Postal Jeep EV conversions that worked >> exactly like their ICE versions. However, they already had the contract >> for ICE postal jeeps, and like every other auto company, they had zero >> interest in changing them to EVs. > - > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EV-potential-Postal-Service-and-7-MPG-average-tp4670191p4670200.html > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
