Hi Oshiro and all,

Coincidentally,I found one among piles of books of my husband's to be
put away on the shelves:
'Michael Jackson's Beer Companion'.(this 'Michael Jackson' is an
authority figure when it comes to beverages,not that King of Pop who
just passed away)

Let me quote some parts for the curious Oshiro(if you were named
George,it would sound even betterLOL):
'A beer made with fruit sounds like a contradiction.
Surely is it a wine?
The explanation is that these are beers,produced from grain,with fruit
added as a further fermentable material or flavouring.
They are traditional in Belgium,where they are often based on lambic
beers,and usually  made with cherries or raspberries.
Inspired by the success of these products in recent years,other fruits
and more countries have made an entrance.

The best of Belgium's artisan-made,lambic-based,whole-fruit cherry
kriek and raspberry frambozen beers have a complexity and delicacy,and
are dry.
They are the beer world's elegant response to pink champagne,and make
a pretty,unusual and appetizing drink with which to welcome guests at
a barbecue or summer party...'

Just check out the beer menus when you go to any pubs there.There are
over 365 kinds of beers to choose from!
I remember my husband couldn't even resist on trying them during
breakfast considering so short time for so many beers!LOL

As for the ales you're fond of,you can also try out Belgian ale there.
Belgians call ales 'speciales belges' or just 'belges',particularly in
the French-speaking regions of Belgium.
According to M.J.,try 'Vieux Temps'(it means Old Time),Horse
Ale,Lamot,Op-Ale and Palm.

On second thought,you should take your girlfriend to Paris because it
seems to be every woman's dream destination,and it's a bigger contrast
to your culture or Barcelona,isn't it?

When are your coming to Europe?;)

Nice day,everyone!
Pln

On Jun 29, 5:29 am, Rafael Oshiro <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Pln and all
>
> Nice to see you here again!!! :)
> I hope you are having a good time in your new flat!
>
> Yeah, I agree that just one week to visit 2 cities is going to be quite
> busy, but at that time, I won't be able to take more days off my work.
> I'm really excited about going there, and I'm happy to know that you enjoyed
> Brussels. I'm looking forward to try many kinds of beers, I'll really enjoy
> that!!! LOL
> I've been reading some information about there and they say much about
> chocolate, waffle and beer!! They must have such a good gastronomy!! My
> favorite kind of beer is Ale, a red beer. You got me curious about the
> cherry one.
>
> Thanks for the valuable tips, Pln!!! They were really good!
>
> Oshiro
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:08 PM, pln471 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Oshiro and all,
>
> > It took me some time to finally find this message I was about to reply
> > to before our move to the new flat!
>
> > One week to pay visits to 2-3 cities is quite a busy schedule.I've
> > never been to Paris,but Brussels is a place I highly recommend!;)
> > Try as many different beers as possible.My favourite is the cherry
> > one!
>
> > Barcelona is another place I'd like to revisit!If you could,I'd
> > recommend you to go there instead of Paris.
>
> > Too short time left for me to write more...
> > I'll come back next Monday to catch up with you guys again!
>
> > Nice weekend to you and your girlfriend and to all of us!
>
> > Pln
>
> > On Jun 9, 3:47 pm, Rafael Oshiro <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Hi Pln, Charles, John, Josney and all!!
>
> > > I've been reading all these messages about traveling and studing in
> > Europe.
> > > Indeed Europe fascinates me a lot.
> > > I've just scheduled my first trip to Europe (and I hope this is the first
> > of
> > > many others in the future). I'm very excited and I have to start doing my
> > > itinerary!! Can you help me giving tips what places I should visit? As
> > soon
> > > I know some of you in the group have already been in Europe.
>
> > > I'm going to Paris and Brussels with my girlfriend. This is not a long
> > trip,
> > > just one week!
>
> > > Pln, I agree with what you said about traveling as a backpacker!! I
> > prefer
> > > traveling without a prepared itinerary by travel agencies, since I
> > prepared
> > > my route in advance.
>
> > > In my opinion, I see Europe as an old and beautiful World, where many
> > > important facts happened there and because of this, there are many
> > > historical places to go.
>
> > > Nice day for you all
> > > Oshiro
>
> > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Charles <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Hi pln,
> > > > Certainly,what I post was not mischievious message.LOL
>
> > > > It's just for fun.The symbol"LOL"makes my smile in that busy
> > > > day."mischievious" means intended to cause harm or
> > > > trouble,which absolutely wasn't what I mean few days before.
>
> > > > You know,the picture in my mind when I saw "LOL" is a little girl
> > treated
> > > > badly by others weep here.^_^
>
> > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:51 PM, John Awesome <[email protected]
> > >wrote:
>
> > > >> hehe, sorry for that. I'v been chatting with guys from all over the
> > world,
> > > >> and i really enjoy  the relaxation topics, such culture, languages,
> > > >> behaviours. and i think serious topics will bring much offense,
> > besides, my
> > > >> english words about politcs are limited, so i have to learn it well,
> > then i
> > > >> can use them in the conversation.
>
> > > >> PS: I notice the "I hear and I forget.
> > > >> I see and I believe.
> > > >> I do and I understand.
> > > >> Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)."
>
> > > >> I don't know much about chinese claasic work in the english version,
> > but
> > > >> in chinese original work, the sentence was came form Xun Zi. As you
> > can see
> > > >> it belowhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xun_Zi
> > > >> but maybe i am wrong, you know chinese classic work in chinese version
> > are
> > > >> really difficute to read, most of them were written about 2000 years
> > ago,
> > > >> the difference is quite large. for example, the ancient greek and
> > eygpt
> > > >> words cannot be identify by us easily as well.
>
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:28 AM, pln471 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >>> Hi Josney and all,
>
> > > >>> Are you trying to scare John and Charles away?!LOL
>
> > > >>> I've been enjoying exchanging messages with them via this message
> > > >>> board!
> > > >>> I really do!;)
> > > >>> Unless others have something to complain about,then speak up,please!
> > > >>> LOL
>
> > > >>> Since we finally got you respond to us,I would say it's Mission
> > > >>> Accomplished in some ways!
>
> > > >>> Best wishes to you and the rest of busy,lazy or dreamy eslpodcast
> > > >>> members!LOL
>
> > > >>> Good night,
> > > >>> Pln
>
> > > >>> On Jun 7, 6:21 pm, Josney Ribeiro <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>> > I think you guys write too much... hahaha I just don't have time to
> > > >>> reply to
> > > >>> > the interesting messages. I can only make short replies. I don't
> > like
> > > >>> it. I
> > > >>> > wish I had time to post more thoughtful messages. Wishing you all
> > the
> > > >>> best,
> > > >>> > Josney
>
> > > >>> > 2009/6/7 pln471 <[email protected]>
>
> > > >>> > > Hi John Charles and all,
>
> > > >>> > > Oh,boy,Charles!LOL
> > > >>> > > You sound just like another curious cat to me counting how many
> > 'LOL'
> > > >>> > > in my previous post,aren't you?;)
>
> > > >>> > > It's just coincidental,of course!
> > > >>> > > But after reading your mischievious message dated Saturday,June
> > 6th,I
> > > >>> > > recalled that there were 3 sixes in the calendar!!!
> > > >>> > > According to Western superstition,3 sixes is a symbol of Satan or
> > > >>> > > something like that,isn't it?!:(
> > > >>> > > And what's interesting is that 6 is a lucky number for
> > Chinese,isn't
> > > >>> > > it?
>
> > > >>> > > OK.I've used 3 tag questions so far...Is it a bad sign again?!LOL
>
> > > >>> > > And John,you sound quite different from other young Chinese or
> > > >>> > > Taiwanese I've known.
> > > >>> > > You have more in common with me sharing the same attitude or view
> > > >>> > > towards life,work and Europe.;)
>
> > > >>> > > Very true!In order to experience everything abroad first hand,one
> > has
> > > >>> > > to comprehend the local language as to interact with the locals
> > as
> > > >>> > > well!
> > > >>> > > I've never travelled to any places with groups of tourists
> > organised
> > > >>> > > by travel agencies.
> > > >>> > > What kind of adventures can one have if it's second-hand?!
> > > >>> > > Doesn't anyone agree with me?;)
>
> > > >>> > > By the way,Pablo,I haven't got time to watch the talk you
> > mentioned
> > > >>> > > yesterday yet...:(
> > > >>> > > I'll do it hopefully tomorrow and let you know what I think!
>
> > > >>> > > Beautiful Sunday to you three,Edward,Josney and the rest of
> > > >>> > > unresponsive members!;)
>
> > > >>> > > Pln
>
> > > >>> > > On Jun 6, 6:49 pm, Charles <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>> > > > Hi,
> > > >>> > > > One,two,three,four,five,six.There are six "LOL" here.It must be
> > a
> > > >>> bad
> > > >>> > > week
> > > >>> > > > for you,six "LOL" in six days,
>
> > > >>> > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:33 PM, John Awesome <
> > > >>> [email protected]
> > > >>> > > >wrote:
>
> > > >>> > > > > it is ok, i am 20.
> > > >>> > > > > I think it is really necessary have a good command of native
> > > >>> language
> > > >>> > > if i
> > > >>> > > > > want to find a job there. but well, i can pretend have no
> > idea
> > > >>> about
> > > >>> > > dutch.
> > > >>> > > > > i will keep the book in my mind,hehe,undutchable.
>
> > > >>> > > > > i think the best way to know people's mind and culture is
> > > >>> learning
> > > >>> > > their
> > > >>> > > > > language.
>
> > > >>> > > > > well, in my opinion, old continent with old cities have a lot
> > of
> > > >>> fun,
> > > >>> > > we
> > > >>> > > > > can image we had been through the history stories. I dont
> > think
> > > >>> the new
> > > >>> > > > > cities with skyscrapers attract me. I think the only reason I
> > > >>> want to
> > > >>> > > live a
> > > >>> > > > > big new city is high salary.
>
> > > >>> > > > > I think young people should have some special dreams, like
> > work
> > > >>> in NGO,
> > > >>> > > > > travelling around the world and ect. and work for living is a
> > > >>> middle
> > > >>> > > aged
> > > >>> > > > > man's thinking.
>
> > > >>> > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 5:42 PM, pln471 <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >>> > > > >> Hi John Charles and all again,
>
> > > >>> > > > >> How old are you,John?If you don't mind telling us here...;)
>
> > > >>> > > > >> Mind you that Dutch people are rather wary of foreigners who
> > > >>> > > > >> understand their language too well!LOL
> > > >>> > > > >> How did I know it?
> > > >>> > > > >> Because we bought a book in a small town there and it's
> > called
> > > >>> "The
> > > >>> > > > >> Undutchable"!LOL
> > > >>> > > > >> It's a book worth reading since you're going to study there.
> > > >>> > > > >> It's all about Dutch people's mentality and
> > > >>> behaviours...something you
> > > >>> > > > >> can say about their unspeakable secrets;) or some sort...LOL
>
> > > >>> > > > >> I only knew Eindhoven while passing through by train several
> > > >>> > > > >> times,that's all!
> > > >>> > > > >> English is very common in Western Europe as people
> > > >>> there,especially in
> > > >>> > > > >> Holland,Belgium,Switzerland or Luxemburg are multilingual.
>
> > > >>> > > > >> I don't think my husband will have interest in going
> > especially
> > > >>> to see
> > > >>> > > > >> the music fountain in Hangzhou at night.
> > > >>> > > > >> We are alternative travellers which means quite different
> > from
> > > >>> > > > >> ordinary tourists...LOL
>
> > > >>> > > > >> He'd been suffering from a terrible jet lag and without
> > > >>> doubt,after he
>
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