Hi Pln, Charles, John, Josney and all!! I've been reading all these messages about traveling and studing in Europe. Indeed Europe fascinates me a lot. I've just scheduled my first trip to Europe (and I hope this is the first of many others in the future). I'm very excited and I have to start doing my itinerary!! Can you help me giving tips what places I should visit? As soon I know some of you in the group have already been in Europe.
I'm going to Paris and Brussels with my girlfriend. This is not a long trip, just one week! Pln, I agree with what you said about traveling as a backpacker!! I prefer traveling without a prepared itinerary by travel agencies, since I prepared my route in advance. In my opinion, I see Europe as an old and beautiful World, where many important facts happened there and because of this, there are many historical places to go. Nice day for you all Oshiro On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Charles <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi pln, > Certainly,what I post was not mischievious message.LOL > > It's just for fun.The symbol"LOL"makes my smile in that busy > day."mischievious" means intended to cause harm or > trouble,which absolutely wasn't what I mean few days before. > > You know,the picture in my mind when I saw "LOL" is a little girl treated > badly by others weep here.^_^ > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:51 PM, John Awesome <[email protected]>wrote: > >> hehe, sorry for that. I'v been chatting with guys from all over the world, >> and i really enjoy the relaxation topics, such culture, languages, >> behaviours. and i think serious topics will bring much offense, besides, my >> english words about politcs are limited, so i have to learn it well, then i >> can use them in the conversation. >> >> PS: I notice the "I hear and I forget. >> I see and I believe. >> I do and I understand. >> Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)." >> >> I don't know much about chinese claasic work in the english version, but >> in chinese original work, the sentence was came form Xun Zi. As you can see >> it below http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xun_Zi >> but maybe i am wrong, you know chinese classic work in chinese version are >> really difficute to read, most of them were written about 2000 years ago, >> the difference is quite large. for example, the ancient greek and eygpt >> words cannot be identify by us easily as well. >> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:28 AM, pln471 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Josney and all, >>> >>> Are you trying to scare John and Charles away?!LOL >>> >>> I've been enjoying exchanging messages with them via this message >>> board! >>> I really do!;) >>> Unless others have something to complain about,then speak up,please! >>> LOL >>> >>> Since we finally got you respond to us,I would say it's Mission >>> Accomplished in some ways! >>> >>> Best wishes to you and the rest of busy,lazy or dreamy eslpodcast >>> members!LOL >>> >>> Good night, >>> Pln >>> >>> On Jun 7, 6:21 pm, Josney Ribeiro <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > I think you guys write too much... hahaha I just don't have time to >>> reply to >>> > the interesting messages. I can only make short replies. I don't like >>> it. I >>> > wish I had time to post more thoughtful messages. Wishing you all the >>> best, >>> > Josney >>> > >>> > 2009/6/7 pln471 <[email protected]> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Hi John Charles and all, >>> > >>> > > Oh,boy,Charles!LOL >>> > > You sound just like another curious cat to me counting how many 'LOL' >>> > > in my previous post,aren't you?;) >>> > >>> > > It's just coincidental,of course! >>> > > But after reading your mischievious message dated Saturday,June 6th,I >>> > > recalled that there were 3 sixes in the calendar!!! >>> > > According to Western superstition,3 sixes is a symbol of Satan or >>> > > something like that,isn't it?!:( >>> > > And what's interesting is that 6 is a lucky number for Chinese,isn't >>> > > it? >>> > >>> > > OK.I've used 3 tag questions so far...Is it a bad sign again?!LOL >>> > >>> > > And John,you sound quite different from other young Chinese or >>> > > Taiwanese I've known. >>> > > You have more in common with me sharing the same attitude or view >>> > > towards life,work and Europe.;) >>> > >>> > > Very true!In order to experience everything abroad first hand,one has >>> > > to comprehend the local language as to interact with the locals as >>> > > well! >>> > > I've never travelled to any places with groups of tourists organised >>> > > by travel agencies. >>> > > What kind of adventures can one have if it's second-hand?! >>> > > Doesn't anyone agree with me?;) >>> > >>> > > By the way,Pablo,I haven't got time to watch the talk you mentioned >>> > > yesterday yet...:( >>> > > I'll do it hopefully tomorrow and let you know what I think! >>> > >>> > > Beautiful Sunday to you three,Edward,Josney and the rest of >>> > > unresponsive members!;) >>> > >>> > > Pln >>> > >>> > > On Jun 6, 6:49 pm, Charles <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > Hi, >>> > > > One,two,three,four,five,six.There are six "LOL" here.It must be a >>> bad >>> > > week >>> > > > for you,six "LOL" in six days, >>> > >>> > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:33 PM, John Awesome < >>> [email protected] >>> > > >wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > it is ok, i am 20. >>> > > > > I think it is really necessary have a good command of native >>> language >>> > > if i >>> > > > > want to find a job there. but well, i can pretend have no idea >>> about >>> > > dutch. >>> > > > > i will keep the book in my mind,hehe,undutchable. >>> > >>> > > > > i think the best way to know people's mind and culture is >>> learning >>> > > their >>> > > > > language. >>> > >>> > > > > well, in my opinion, old continent with old cities have a lot of >>> fun, >>> > > we >>> > > > > can image we had been through the history stories. I dont think >>> the new >>> > > > > cities with skyscrapers attract me. I think the only reason I >>> want to >>> > > live a >>> > > > > big new city is high salary. >>> > >>> > > > > I think young people should have some special dreams, like work >>> in NGO, >>> > > > > travelling around the world and ect. and work for living is a >>> middle >>> > > aged >>> > > > > man's thinking. >>> > >>> > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 5:42 PM, pln471 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >> Hi John Charles and all again, >>> > >>> > > > >> How old are you,John?If you don't mind telling us here...;) >>> > >>> > > > >> Mind you that Dutch people are rather wary of foreigners who >>> > > > >> understand their language too well!LOL >>> > > > >> How did I know it? >>> > > > >> Because we bought a book in a small town there and it's called >>> "The >>> > > > >> Undutchable"!LOL >>> > > > >> It's a book worth reading since you're going to study there. >>> > > > >> It's all about Dutch people's mentality and >>> behaviours...something you >>> > > > >> can say about their unspeakable secrets;) or some sort...LOL >>> > >>> > > > >> I only knew Eindhoven while passing through by train several >>> > > > >> times,that's all! >>> > > > >> English is very common in Western Europe as people >>> there,especially in >>> > > > >> Holland,Belgium,Switzerland or Luxemburg are multilingual. >>> > >>> > > > >> I don't think my husband will have interest in going especially >>> to see >>> > > > >> the music fountain in Hangzhou at night. >>> > > > >> We are alternative travellers which means quite different from >>> > > > >> ordinary tourists...LOL >>> > >>> > > > >> He'd been suffering from a terrible jet lag and without >>> doubt,after he >>> > > > >> got used to it,he'll have to adjust to another jet lag back >>> home!LOL >>> > >>> > > > >> It's interesting that you think Europe is suitable for young >>> people.A >>> > > > >> lot of Taiwanese or American I know told me it's a too old >>> continent >>> > > > >> where everything you see is just ancient architecture or >>> museums!LOL >>> > >>> > > > >> Anyhow,Great weekend again to us all! >>> > > > >> Pln >>> > >>> > > > >> On Jun 5, 3:20 pm, John Awesome <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > > >> > yes, indeed, about a decade ago, the Communist Party want to >>> show >>> > > their >>> > > > >> > kindness to Taiwanese and wish investing, make a easy visiting >>> plan >>> > > to >>> > > > >> > taiwanese, but taiwan authorities still think chinese >>> government >>> > > will >>> > > > >> > send communists >>> > > > >> > to the island, so it is really bad for tourists like me. These >>> > > things >>> > > > >> should >>> > > > >> > be belong to the dammed politics,. lol >>> > > > >> > I will study in Eindhoven, it is a industrial city, where the >>> center >>> > > of >>> > > > >> > philps is located, and a famous football club psv eindhoven. >>> > >>> > > > >> > I think europe is suit for young people, there are so many >>> countries >>> > > and >>> > > > >> > places to visit and to settle. and young people are full of >>> energy, >>> > > can >>> > > > >> > learn different languages easily. in this point, i think it is >>> a >>> > > little >>> > > > >> bit >>> > > > >> > difficult for old people. >>> > >>> > > > >> > I will study computer there, basicly focus on software. >>> > >>> > > > >> > Hangzhou is really hot right now, you should tell him to watch >>> the >>> > > music >>> > > > >> > fountain on the west lake in the dark, it is a new site, but >>> > > interesting >>> > >>> > > > >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 5:40 PM, pln471 <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >> > > Oh,yes,John! >>> > >>> > > > >> > > I forgot about the difficulty of your getting a visa as an >>> > > independent >>> > > > >> > > tourist ...You're right!:( >>> > > > >> > > Mainland Chinese and Taiwanese governments aren't that >>> friendly as >>> > > > >> > > people like you and me,are they?LOL >>> > >>> > > > >> > > Oh,well,never mind since you'll be studying in Holland this >>> fall >>> > > soon! >>> > > > >> > > Where in Holland will you be studying? >>> > > > >> > > My husband and I had been in and out the countries so many >>> times a >>> > > > >> > > decade ago because we had plans settling down there... >>> > > > >> > > The last time when we were in 2 cities there was 2.5 years >>> ago >>> > > with >>> > > > >> > > our kids. >>> > >>> > > > >> > > I aslo encouraged Elham to choose Europe to study instead of >>> USA. >>> > > > >> > > Every country in Europe has its own characteristics and >>> charm,and >>> > > you >>> > > > >> > > are so close to every other country by train on the weekend! >>> > > > >> > > If it's fun,diversity or cultural events that you're looking >>> > > > >> > > for,Europe is the place!;) >>> > >>> > > > >> > > By the way,what is subject of your studies? >>> > >>> > > > >> > > One more thing,my husband is going to Hangzhou tomorrow just >>> for a >>> > > > >> > > short while...then to Cixi,Ningbo and Shanghai before he >>> returns >>> > > home >>> > > > >> > > to Poland... >>> > > > >> > > Oh,he's flying Air France,too!:( I am very worried about his >>> > > return >>> > > > >> > > flight because he will stop in DE Gaule Airport before he >>> flies >>> > > back >>> > > > >> > > to Warsaw...:( >>> > >>> > > > >> > > MY HEART IS WITH ALL THE BRAZILIAN and FRENCH VICTIMS on AIR >>> > > FRANCE >>> > > > >> > > 447 and THEIR REMAINING LOVED ONES!!!:( >>> > >>> > > > >> > > Good luck and good day,everyone! >>> > > > >> > > Take real good care of yourselves! >>> > >>> > > > >> > > Pln >>> > >>> > > > >> > > On Jun 2, 2:41 pm, John Awesome <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > > >> > > > hehe, but it is not easy get the visa if i will choose >>> travel >>> > > taiwan >>> > > > >> by >>> > > > >> > > > myself, cause i am come from continent. and in this fall, >>> i will >>> > > > >> start my >>> > > > >> > > > study in holland, so i am afraid i won't get this chance. >>> i >>> > > would >>> > > > >> like >>> > > > >> > > to >>> > > > >> > > > travel around europe, it is the different world, I am sure >>> i >>> > > will >>> > > > >> look >>> > > > >> > > for >>> > > > >> > > > fun >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:10 PM, pln471 <[email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > Wow,you're online,John! >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > I'll add you as my contact on skype then. >>> > > > >> > > > > If you look harder or travel further outside >>> > > > >> Taipei,Taichung,Kaoshiung >>> > > > >> > > > > and other bigger cities, >>> > > > >> > > > > yes,there are more >>> interesting,natural,cleaner,friendlier >>> > > places >>> > > > >> and >>> > > > >> > > > > people to meet!;) >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > If by any chance,you'll be paying Taiwan a visit,do tell >>> me >>> > > and >>> > > > >> I'll >>> > > > >> > > > > ask my acquaintances or friends to help you whatever >>> they >>> > > can!;) >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > Cheers, >>> > > > >> > > > > Pln >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > On Jun 2, 1:52 pm, John Awesome < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > > >> > > > > > hi pln471 and all >>> > > > >> > > > > > I find my skype account, the name is meslamdunk. So u >>> r >>> > > > >> taiwanese, i >>> > > > >> > > > > think >>> > > > >> > > > > > taiwan has many beautiful palces. I wish some day i >>> will >>> > > take a >>> > > > >> > > visit >>> > > > >> > > > > > there. >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:00 PM, pln471 < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > > >> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > Hi John and all, >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > You're right!Shanghai is his 1st destination in >>> China,then >>> > > > >> Ningpuao >>> > > > >> > > > > > > (?),Beijing,Gingpuao(?) and another town I can't >>> recall >>> > > the >>> > > > >> > > name...:( >>> > > > >> > > > > > > He wanted to go to Hangzhou or Suzhou,but failed to >>> find >>> > > any >>> > > > >> > > cheaper >>> > > > >> > > > > > > hotel rooms available there...Tough luck!;) >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > We had a very close senior friend who was originally >>> from >>> > > > >> > > Hangzhou,but >>> > > > >> > > > > > > she passed away last January.:( >>> > > > >> > > > > > > I'm originally from Taiwan,but have been living in >>> Poland >>> > > with >>> > > > >> my >>> > > > >> > > > > > > Polish-born husband and Taiwanese-born children for >>> the >>> > > last >>> > > > >> 2.5 >>> > > > >> > > > > > > years! >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > My husband will be like a fish in the water when he >>> eats >>> > > > >> Chinese >>> > > > >> > > food! >>> > > > >> > > > > > > LOL >>> > > > >> > > > > > > He loves all kinds of spicy,stir-fried >>> Chinese/Taiwanese >>> > > > >> food.As a >>> > > > >> > > > > > > matter of fact,he's a dare devil when it comes to >>> trying >>> > > > >> exotic >>> > > > >> > > foods! >>> > > > >> > > > > > > LOL >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > I don't use skype or live chat on Yahoo or Google at >>> > > all!I'm >>> > > > >> this >>> > > > >> > > old- >>> > > > >> > > > > > > fashioned type who prefer writing to speaking!:( >>> > > > >> > > > > > > Still,looking forward to a live chat of the year >>> with you >>> > > and >>> > > > >> > > everyone >>> > > > >> > > > > > > else here on skype then!!! >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > Good day! >>> > > > >> > > > > > > Pln >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > On Jun 2, 1:33 am, John Awesome < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > > >> wrote: >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > yeah, ha ha, i am Chinese. I think I have a skype >>> > > account, >>> > > > >> but i >>> > > > >> > > > > don't >>> > > > >> > > > > > > use >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > it very often, i do not have few friends on the >>> skype. I >>> > > > >> live in >>> > > > >> > > a >>> > > > >> > > > > middle >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > size city, which is called Hangzhou, it is really >>> close >>> > > to >>> > > > >> > > Shanghai, >>> > > > >> > > > > and >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > famous for its small lake- West Lake. In Marco >>> Polo's >>> > > book, >>> > > > >> > > Hangzhou >>> > > > >> > > > > is >>> > > > >> > > > > > > the >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > most beautiful cities in the world, if u visit >>> china, i >>> > > > >> think >>> > > > >> > > > > Hangzhou is >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > the best try. I guess ur husband will be staying >>> > > Shanghai, >>> > > > >> > > Guangzhou, >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > Beijing or HK. they are the largest cities in >>> china, and >>> > > > >> have >>> > > > >> > > import >>> > > > >> > > > > and >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > export business. Many foreigners think chinese >>> food are >>> > > > >> > > delicious, so >>> > > > >> > > > > it >>> > > > >> > > > > > > is >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > the best time for enjoy original chinese food. I >>> will >>> > > try to >>> > > > >> be >>> > > > >> > > on >>> > > > >> > > > > time >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:36 AM, pln471 < >>> > > [email protected]> >>> > > > >> > > wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hi John and all, >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > As I remember from your posts,you're from >>> China,aren't >>> > > > >> > > you,John? >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > If you aren't a skpye user yet,pls go to the >>> site >>> > > below to >>> > > > >> > > download >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > and sign up. >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >http://www.skype.com >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Or just give us your skype name and tell us if >>> you are >>> > > > >> going to >>> > > > >> > > > > show >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > up on this Wed,June 3rd at 13:00 CET(19:00 >>> Beijing >>> > > Time). >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > My skype ID is >>> > >>> > > > ... >>> > >>> > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > > > - Show quoted text - >>> > >>> > -- >>> > ☼I hear and I forget. >>> > I see and I believe. >>> > I do and I understand. >>> > Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC).☼- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ESL Podcast". 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