On Sun, Dec 05, 2021 at 06:59:20PM +0000, Juan Manuel Macías wrote: > Frustration every time I want to recommend Org to many of my friends > and colleagues, who don't even use Emacs.
I think this is the core of every interoperability argument: "Why do we have to use Emacs to use Org?" It's called Emacs Org-mode for a reason. Org-mode doesn't work outside of Emacs. I've often told users that it's worth learning enough Emacs to use Org, and have successfully moved several non-power users over to Emacs. They know enough to consistently open their files, edit Org, and quit. That's enough. They complain it's "ugly" compared to "modern" GUI tools, but they can't deny the utility. > I came to Org been an Emacs user already, so I was reasonably familiar > with Emacs and Elisp, although what I used most was AUCTeX (and Markdown > for my docs). I'd have a hard time convincing users in Mordor to use a plain text format, much less Org without Emacs. > On the other hand, Org as a lightweight markup language is only > a tiny part of Org. I don't think Org is better or worse as a markup > language than Markdown, asciidoc or other similar formats. What makes Org dramatically different is the editing experience in Emacs. Collapsing the outline, filtering on metadata, exports, agenda, etc. Those are Emacs features, not specific to the actual markup format. My impression is we already have stretched our resources thin trying to maintain Org. Pushing to provide compatibility with non-Emacs tools seems a poor use of their time, and rude to ask of them. If non-Emacs users and coders want to use Org formatted files, they are free to spend their time customizing their tools to make it work. If the Org project owes anything to anyone, it's a consistent experience for the users who have used Org for years. Not changes to satisfy potential users or follow trendy fads. My experience has been that Org's markup is so simple and could be summarized in a few lines. Anything more complex enters the territory of Emacs only features (ie: drawers. exports, view control, source blocks, reporting). Those are unlikely to be portable, so we're back to "use Emacs". ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3
