Within.

73,
Rick nk7i

> On Sep 3, 2025, at 12:54 PM, David Gilbert via Elecraft 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Two questions and a comment:
> 
> 1.  "Don't ignore the shut in or (very) tiny budget crowds ... etc"   Which 
> of those things you mention aren't more easily possible via voice, texting, 
> or forum participation on their cellphones?

How much does a cell phone cost, compared to a (used) HT?  Cell fails here at 
least annually (the fiber line gets cut, no feed).  How many times can you talk 
with a group at the same moment, on a cell phone?  These days, you can message 
on either HT or cell.

> 2.  "I've tried to generate interest ... etc"     Did you ever actually ask 
> anyone what changes/additions would make ham radio more interesting to them?

Of course.  Other than checking into the weekly net on the local repeater, they 
knew that they knew nothing and didn’t care to learn (even basic simple 
antennas that would improve their stations to get into the repeater).  It took 
MONTHS of effort, all to zero avail.  I also raised simple dipoles and help 
sets up stations; which simply got ignored when the shine wore off.

> 3.  NOBODY ever wants to discuss what might be added to ham radio to make it 
> more appealing to outsiders.  Not a single suggestion from anybody here has 
> popped up in this lengthy thread ... which likely hardly anyone even wants to 
> follow anymore.  The few comments that have been posted mostly say that 
> everything is just fine the way it is.

It is NOT fine, the numbers don’t tell the entire story since most licensees, 
don’t operate or stop after a few months or years.  Mostly because there is no 
follow through after the test; individuals and clubs just walk away (HUGE 
mistake).  Without watering, the root dies.

Followthrough (I am a VE, I offer myself there) is critical.

I tell them that I started out with borrowed receivers and a 5th hand 
transmitter on HF, with mostly useless wire antennas (I was ignorant too) then 
worked my way up.  It does NOT have to cost the tens of thousands of my present 
station; I kept interest and built it up over decades.  Ease THAT fear ASAP 
with a noob; money is TIGHT for most.

Adding features?  What does NOT appear under the umbrella of ham radio?  Music, 
games and broadcast; EVERY other means of communication are already being used, 
in ham radio.

While it CAN be as mostly technical as the noob can manage (and rabbit holes to 
fall into); there are plenty of ‘appliance operators’ too (just listen to the 
bands, to spend 20 minutes and a LOT of words, to say nothing; then it’s the 
other folks turns).  Ask them about technical details of their station; brand 
and model is about all they know (can we say ‘stagnation’?).

Growth can occur, IF they find the right niche and want to keep learning (THAT 
is an ugly word to some when simplistic ignorance is so appealing).

The only two topics to not discuss (by agreement, not law):  Politics and 
religion (both can be easily devisive in moments; not helpful in building new 
bonds of friendship).  That leaves  BROAD range of topics, technical or not; 
dog raising, baking or multi-element arrays.

And THAT means, being an Elmer (mentor) to the noob and meeting them at their 
level while sharing the excitement of where you are in radio.  I’ve turned no 
one away and try to meet their level of understanding.  Give them the answers 
they seek, with a little more to spark interest; let them into what you’re 
doing too.

It is about relationships, nothing more.

That mirror looks good here.

> We don't have to look far to find the source of the problem.  A mirror would 
> do the job.
> 
> Dave  AB7E
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