Hi, Floor.

So great to have the team support this! Loved everyone's ideas and really
happy to collaborate with such a great bunch.

Naturally, I'm in for the general video production, but would love to work
on this with maybe 1-2 more volunteers. So, who's in..? :)

Cheers,
Shani.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Floor Koudijs <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'm really loving this discussion. So happy to see you all chime in and
> share your ideas about what kind of format would be helpful for the monthly
> Collab meetings.
>
> Shani, thanks for suggesting the idea of a showcase. I love it. Let's make
> sure we find a balance between a 1 minute pitch (which is entirely too
> short to do anything justice) and a 15 minute exposé, which may be
> perceived as too long by some people. I also really like Melina's outline,
> and would like to encourage all of you to think about these questions for
> framing this:
> * Why is this interesting or relevant for an international audience?
> * What can others learn from this experience?
> * What was the major eye-opener / lesson you got from this experience?
> * Highlight one challenge and one creative solution you came up with
> (and I can keep going with these kinds of questions).
>
> Thanks as well for suggesting a general education-related video. That
> sounds really awesome. I did speak to Victor about something like that a
> long time ago, and much has changed since then, so it's probably time to
> dust off that conversation and see if we can get it moving. Since this is a
> request that came from our Collab members, I would be so very happy if
> (some of) you can take this forward. We would be happy to provide guidance
> as needed. I'm also happy to have an initial conversation with Victor to
> see whether he would be able to do this, or whether it might make more
> sense to go with the external group Sara suggested. Who of you Collab
> members would like to take the lead on this? (and let's put it in
> Phabricator then!)
>
> I look forward to a great meeting in December!
>
>
> Floor Koudijs
>
> Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
>
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> +1.415.839.6885  x6806 (landline)
>
> +1.415.692.5289 (cell phone)
>
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>
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>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Àlex Hinojo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> sorry for the missquote, I was meaning exactly the same :-)
>>
>> 2015-11-30 10:33 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> Thanks to everyone who has already participated in this small
>>> "brainstorming" with me. :-)
>>> Just a quick clarification, I was talking about recording *only* the
>>> project showcase,  not the whole session. I believe it's good and important
>>> to have an informal part, where peolpe are free to ask, share etc off
>>> record, without worrying about being recording, for exactly the reasons
>>> Sara mentioned.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Shani..
>>> On 30 Nov 2015 11:04, "Sara Mörtsell" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Great progress guys!! Melina's outline feels just like something we can
>>>> make good use out of.
>>>>
>>>> I have some thoughts about recording the meetings. Generally, this is
>>>> great for all the reasons Shani says and it's in line with the open and
>>>> sharing spirit of our community and movement. One thing however  I've
>>>> learnt from facilitating MOOCs is that it can have a censoring effect on
>>>> the participants, in this case that would be on ourselves. If I feel like
>>>> I'm taking too much of a risk when I talk about the downsides or mistakes
>>>> in my projects, then I might go for simply leaving them out of the
>>>> discussions, missing a good learning opportunity for everyone. Perhaps we
>>>> could record parts of the meeting recorded? I don't know, just thought I'd
>>>> share my thoughts on that.
>>>>
>>>> Video! YES! And if it's a matter of budget etc. we should also remember
>>>> Simply Show Foundation (who where at Wikimania and perhaps some of you
>>>> attended their workshop?),
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/simpleshowfoundation. Ilya who was their
>>>> representative joined us at the Education pre-conference so he already has
>>>> some concepts of what we do and why etc. They are a non-profit part of a
>>>> corporate and they do stuff for other non-profits at low costs, I know
>>>> they're producing the Wikipedia 15 film so you'll see more about them once
>>>> that film is out.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to our next meeting!
>>>> Sara
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2015-11-29 17:39 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I love all the ideas, and even more so that there's a discussion
>>>>> about doing something like that.
>>>>> Still curious to learn what other collab members think about it, as
>>>>> well as WMF EDU team. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Shani.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Melina Masnatta <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Shani
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love your ideas, I think both of them are very useful J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I´m agree with Vojtěch and Netha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the case of the showcase a specific project, maybe we can share
>>>>>> before links, or make a very short infographyc (exist many free digital
>>>>>> tools like picktochart <http://piktochart.com/>). I think we can
>>>>>> prepare too a questions or a form to be more specific…for example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Why do you think it´s important to share this case?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Can be scalable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) About results and suggestions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) How can we get more information if we are interesting to know more?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like the exercise of pitching
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_(filmmaking)>, we can do it in
>>>>>> a very short time ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meli
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2015-11-29 9:44 GMT-03:00 Netha Hussain <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Shani,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Thank you for suggesting the creation of a video! I think a video
>>>>>>> is going to be a great resource, especially for outreach. I love the 
>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>> of being able to show a video to inspire students (and faculty) to join 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Wikipedia Education Program. A cost-effective solution for this would 
>>>>>>> be to
>>>>>>> have the respective chapters and liaisons film the video locally. The
>>>>>>> interviews could be done during Collab meetings or during Wikimania 
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> in Italy, when most of us are likely to get together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In mid- December, we in India will have a regional Wikimedia
>>>>>>> conference for Malayalam (ml) Wikimedians. We are anticipating a 
>>>>>>> handful of
>>>>>>> students and teachers as participants. I am thrilled by the idea of
>>>>>>> videographing them,recording their experiences about how they started 
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> Wikipedia as a resource for education. If we can lay down a plan for the
>>>>>>> video by early December, I will be able to get relevant shots from India
>>>>>>> for adding on to the video.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Netha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Shani <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your input, Vojtech!
>>>>>>>> I agree regarding trickiness of filming various programs, but it
>>>>>>>> can be worked around creatively, by filming locally, interviewing 
>>>>>>>> online
>>>>>>>> and editing everything later to one video. The bigger challenge I see 
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> deciding what goes into such a video.. But before we get there, let's 
>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> if others agree it's necessary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for 10 min vs. 15+5 for questions -- no doubt, 10 is better than
>>>>>>>> nothing. However, the reason for propoding a longer time is to allow 
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> time to get into the details of *how* exactly they run their programs.
>>>>>>>> It seems to me that we talk a lot about best practices and
>>>>>>>> documentation, but bedises metrics (that the FDC also requires), the 
>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>> of details is such that if you really want to understand how a specific
>>>>>>>> program works, actually learn from their experience and say try to
>>>>>>>> "duplicate" the experience, you won't know what to do because all you 
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> it that "X had a great experience with 5th grade pupils", "Y created a
>>>>>>>> successful university course", "Z have an inspiring senior citizen
>>>>>>>> program". In other words, I find that other than this shallow knowledge
>>>>>>>> *of* programs, the actual knowlege of *how* they really run is very 
>>>>>>>> little.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, it may as well be something that only bothers me. If so, I'll
>>>>>>>> continue to do what I can on my personal capacity. But if it's not, and
>>>>>>>> other share the need for more details, then let's do something about -
>>>>>>>> let's collabotatively think of standars for effectively reporting a 
>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>> / initiative and change the discourse. These videos can be a step in 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> right direction. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Shani.
>>>>>>>> Hello Shani, thanks for your work on this!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for the in-depth discussions, my view is that 20 minutes is too
>>>>>>>> much to explain and discuss a single program. I'd give it a maximum of 
>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>>> minutes but that's just my personal view.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be very nice to have and official promotional video
>>>>>>>> featuring the global education activities. At the same, the global 
>>>>>>>> nature
>>>>>>>> of our projects means that it will take a lot of time and cost a lot of
>>>>>>>> money to capture more than just 1-2 programs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vojtěch Dostál
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> předseda rady / chairman of the board
>>>>>>>> Wikimedia Česká republika / Wikimedia Czech Republic
>>>>>>>> http://www.wikimedia.cz
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>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_CR> | Newsletter
>>>>>>>> <http://eepurl.com/FsHJr>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2015-11-28 16:42 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello, Collab enthusiasts!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1 - I've just sent out a doodle for the coming *2 hangouts for
>>>>>>>>> December & January*.
>>>>>>>>> Since part of Dec includes holidays and some of us will be
>>>>>>>>> vacationing, it would be good to schedule these two dates advance.
>>>>>>>>> Please fill out the doodle by next Saturday (Dec 6th) so we can
>>>>>>>>> schedule a final meeting time as soon as possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2 - Following a remark Paola made during our last meeting about a
>>>>>>>>> need for an in-depth discussions about various topics, I'd like to 
>>>>>>>>> propose
>>>>>>>>> using our monthly meeting in a new way. I was thinking we can use the 
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> 20 minutes of each meeting to showcase a specific project / 
>>>>>>>>> initiative from
>>>>>>>>> around the world. Something in the lines of a 15 minute explanation 
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> the project and 5 minutes for questions.
>>>>>>>>> I believe having more than a minute to share our experiences will
>>>>>>>>> benefit everyone.
>>>>>>>>> I also suggest that at least these parts of our meeting will be
>>>>>>>>> recorded and then uploaded as a YouTube video. Recording doesn't have 
>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>> via "hangout on air". We can simply use a screen-capture software for 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> part of the session. The idea is that we have a growing database of
>>>>>>>>> wiki-edu case reports, some might probably be best practices, but 
>>>>>>>>> even if
>>>>>>>>> they are not, people can learn from anything that happens, from 
>>>>>>>>> things that
>>>>>>>>> do not work as well as things that do work. In short, videos are an
>>>>>>>>> important educational tool. There is no reason why we should document 
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> in a written form on outreach. We can use other sources and link them 
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> outreach. I think this is something practical the collab can do to 
>>>>>>>>> promote
>>>>>>>>> awareness.
>>>>>>>>> *What do you say..? Is this something you'd like us to do during
>>>>>>>>> our meetings?*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3 - And one last suggestion, which is *practically directed at
>>>>>>>>> the WMF team, but again, I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts about*
>>>>>>>>> -- with Education been such a focus globally in many chapters and the 
>>>>>>>>> WMF
>>>>>>>>> itself, would it be possible to harness Victor, the WMF's official
>>>>>>>>> story-teller, to create a sort of "formal" video about what the Wiki
>>>>>>>>> Education program is? Similar to what was done for Wikipedia Zero, or 
>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>> days ago for the Erasmus prize? I think it's something we really need 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> can be used worldwide (with subtitles) to promote what it is that we 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> doing here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with me with all my thoughts today.. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have a great weekend, everyone!
>>>>>>>>> Shani.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Shani Evenstein (via Doodle) <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein invites you to participate in the Doodle poll
>>>>>>>>>> "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab Monthly Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=logo>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein ([email protected]) invites you to
>>>>>>>>>> participate in the Doodle poll "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab
>>>>>>>>>> Monthly Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan."
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Collab members,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This Doodle is for us to schedule our next *2* Wiki-EDU Collab
>>>>>>>>>> Monthly Meeting, for both December 2015 & January 2016.
>>>>>>>>>> Please mark the dates you can make it so we can set the time in
>>>>>>>>>> advance.
>>>>>>>>>> These meetings are not mandatory, but we would love to meet as
>>>>>>>>>> many of you as possible online.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> Shani & the WMF's EDU team.
>>>>>>>>>> Participate now
>>>>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/2s6r7pw44dqtuddw?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=pollbtn>
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>>>>>>>>>> Evenstein to find a suitable date for meeting with a group of 
>>>>>>>>>> people. Learn
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>>>>>>>>>> You have received this e-mail because "Shani Evenstein" has
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>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> Student of Medicine and Surgery
>>>>>>> Govt. Medical College, Kozhikode
>>>>>>> Blogs :
>>>>>>> *nethahussain.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> <http://nethahussain.blogspot.com>swethaambari.wordpress.com
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>>>>>> A.C. Wikimedia Argentina
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>>>>
>>>>
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