sorry for the missquote, I was meaning exactly the same :-) 2015-11-30 10:33 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>:
> Thanks to everyone who has already participated in this small > "brainstorming" with me. :-) > Just a quick clarification, I was talking about recording *only* the > project showcase, not the whole session. I believe it's good and important > to have an informal part, where peolpe are free to ask, share etc off > record, without worrying about being recording, for exactly the reasons > Sara mentioned. > > Cheers, > Shani.. > On 30 Nov 2015 11:04, "Sara Mörtsell" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi everyone! >> >> Great progress guys!! Melina's outline feels just like something we can >> make good use out of. >> >> I have some thoughts about recording the meetings. Generally, this is >> great for all the reasons Shani says and it's in line with the open and >> sharing spirit of our community and movement. One thing however I've >> learnt from facilitating MOOCs is that it can have a censoring effect on >> the participants, in this case that would be on ourselves. If I feel like >> I'm taking too much of a risk when I talk about the downsides or mistakes >> in my projects, then I might go for simply leaving them out of the >> discussions, missing a good learning opportunity for everyone. Perhaps we >> could record parts of the meeting recorded? I don't know, just thought I'd >> share my thoughts on that. >> >> Video! YES! And if it's a matter of budget etc. we should also remember >> Simply Show Foundation (who where at Wikimania and perhaps some of you >> attended their workshop?), >> https://www.youtube.com/user/simpleshowfoundation. Ilya who was their >> representative joined us at the Education pre-conference so he already has >> some concepts of what we do and why etc. They are a non-profit part of a >> corporate and they do stuff for other non-profits at low costs, I know >> they're producing the Wikipedia 15 film so you'll see more about them once >> that film is out. >> >> Looking forward to our next meeting! >> Sara >> >> >> >> 2015-11-29 17:39 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >> >>> Oh, I love all the ideas, and even more so that there's a discussion >>> about doing something like that. >>> Still curious to learn what other collab members think about it, as well >>> as WMF EDU team. :) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Shani. >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Melina Masnatta < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Shani >>>> >>>> I love your ideas, I think both of them are very useful J >>>> >>>> I´m agree with Vojtěch and Netha. >>>> >>>> In the case of the showcase a specific project, maybe we can share >>>> before links, or make a very short infographyc (exist many free digital >>>> tools like picktochart <http://piktochart.com/>). I think we can >>>> prepare too a questions or a form to be more specific…for example: >>>> >>>> 1) Why do you think it´s important to share this case? >>>> >>>> 2) Can be scalable? >>>> >>>> 3) About results and suggestions >>>> >>>> 4) How can we get more information if we are interesting to know more? >>>> >>>> Like the exercise of pitching >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_(filmmaking)>, we can do it in a >>>> very short time ;) >>>> >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> Hugs, >>>> >>>> Meli >>>> >>>> 2015-11-29 9:44 GMT-03:00 Netha Hussain <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Shani, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for suggesting the creation of a video! I think a video is >>>>> going to be a great resource, especially for outreach. I love the idea of >>>>> being able to show a video to inspire students (and faculty) to join the >>>>> Wikipedia Education Program. A cost-effective solution for this would be >>>>> to >>>>> have the respective chapters and liaisons film the video locally. The >>>>> interviews could be done during Collab meetings or during Wikimania while >>>>> in Italy, when most of us are likely to get together. >>>>> >>>>> In mid- December, we in India will have a regional Wikimedia >>>>> conference for Malayalam (ml) Wikimedians. We are anticipating a handful >>>>> of >>>>> students and teachers as participants. I am thrilled by the idea of >>>>> videographing them,recording their experiences about how they started >>>>> using >>>>> Wikipedia as a resource for education. If we can lay down a plan for the >>>>> video by early December, I will be able to get relevant shots from India >>>>> for adding on to the video. >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> Netha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Shani <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your input, Vojtech! >>>>>> I agree regarding trickiness of filming various programs, but it can >>>>>> be worked around creatively, by filming locally, interviewing online and >>>>>> editing everything later to one video. The bigger challenge I see is >>>>>> deciding what goes into such a video.. But before we get there, let's see >>>>>> if others agree it's necessary. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for 10 min vs. 15+5 for questions -- no doubt, 10 is better than >>>>>> nothing. However, the reason for propoding a longer time is to allow >>>>>> people >>>>>> time to get into the details of *how* exactly they run their programs. >>>>>> It seems to me that we talk a lot about best practices and >>>>>> documentation, but bedises metrics (that the FDC also requires), the >>>>>> level >>>>>> of details is such that if you really want to understand how a specific >>>>>> program works, actually learn from their experience and say try to >>>>>> "duplicate" the experience, you won't know what to do because all you >>>>>> know >>>>>> it that "X had a great experience with 5th grade pupils", "Y created a >>>>>> successful university course", "Z have an inspiring senior citizen >>>>>> program". In other words, I find that other than this shallow knowledge >>>>>> *of* programs, the actual knowlege of *how* they really run is very >>>>>> little. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, it may as well be something that only bothers me. If so, I'll >>>>>> continue to do what I can on my personal capacity. But if it's not, and >>>>>> other share the need for more details, then let's do something about - >>>>>> let's collabotatively think of standars for effectively reporting a >>>>>> project >>>>>> / initiative and change the discourse. These videos can be a step in the >>>>>> right direction. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Shani. >>>>>> Hello Shani, thanks for your work on this! >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the in-depth discussions, my view is that 20 minutes is too >>>>>> much to explain and discuss a single program. I'd give it a maximum of 10 >>>>>> minutes but that's just my personal view. >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be very nice to have and official promotional video >>>>>> featuring the global education activities. At the same, the global nature >>>>>> of our projects means that it will take a lot of time and cost a lot of >>>>>> money to capture more than just 1-2 programs. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Vojtěch Dostál >>>>>> >>>>>> předseda rady / chairman of the board >>>>>> Wikimedia Česká republika / Wikimedia Czech Republic >>>>>> http://www.wikimedia.cz >>>>>> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.CR> | Twitter >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_CR> | Newsletter >>>>>> <http://eepurl.com/FsHJr> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2015-11-28 16:42 GMT+01:00 Shani <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, Collab enthusiasts! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 - I've just sent out a doodle for the coming *2 hangouts for >>>>>>> December & January*. >>>>>>> Since part of Dec includes holidays and some of us will be >>>>>>> vacationing, it would be good to schedule these two dates advance. >>>>>>> Please fill out the doodle by next Saturday (Dec 6th) so we can >>>>>>> schedule a final meeting time as soon as possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 - Following a remark Paola made during our last meeting about a >>>>>>> need for an in-depth discussions about various topics, I'd like to >>>>>>> propose >>>>>>> using our monthly meeting in a new way. I was thinking we can use the >>>>>>> first >>>>>>> 20 minutes of each meeting to showcase a specific project / initiative >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> around the world. Something in the lines of a 15 minute explanation >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> the project and 5 minutes for questions. >>>>>>> I believe having more than a minute to share our experiences will >>>>>>> benefit everyone. >>>>>>> I also suggest that at least these parts of our meeting will be >>>>>>> recorded and then uploaded as a YouTube video. Recording doesn't have >>>>>>> to be >>>>>>> via "hangout on air". We can simply use a screen-capture software for >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> part of the session. The idea is that we have a growing database of >>>>>>> wiki-edu case reports, some might probably be best practices, but even >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> they are not, people can learn from anything that happens, from things >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> do not work as well as things that do work. In short, videos are an >>>>>>> important educational tool. There is no reason why we should document >>>>>>> only >>>>>>> in a written form on outreach. We can use other sources and link them on >>>>>>> outreach. I think this is something practical the collab can do to >>>>>>> promote >>>>>>> awareness. >>>>>>> *What do you say..? Is this something you'd like us to do during our >>>>>>> meetings?* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3 - And one last suggestion, which is *practically directed at the >>>>>>> WMF team, but again, I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts about* -- >>>>>>> with Education been such a focus globally in many chapters and the WMF >>>>>>> itself, would it be possible to harness Victor, the WMF's official >>>>>>> story-teller, to create a sort of "formal" video about what the Wiki >>>>>>> Education program is? Similar to what was done for Wikipedia Zero, or a >>>>>>> few >>>>>>> days ago for the Erasmus prize? I think it's something we really need >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> can be used worldwide (with subtitles) to promote what it is that we are >>>>>>> doing here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with me with all my thoughts today.. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have a great weekend, everyone! >>>>>>> Shani. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Shani Evenstein (via Doodle) < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein invites you to participate in the Doodle poll >>>>>>>> "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab Monthly Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=logo> >>>>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein ([email protected]) invites you to participate >>>>>>>> in the Doodle poll "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab Monthly >>>>>>>> Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan." >>>>>>>> Hi, Collab members, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This Doodle is for us to schedule our next *2* Wiki-EDU Collab >>>>>>>> Monthly Meeting, for both December 2015 & January 2016. >>>>>>>> Please mark the dates you can make it so we can set the time in >>>>>>>> advance. >>>>>>>> These meetings are not mandatory, but we would love to meet as many >>>>>>>> of you as possible online. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Shani & the WMF's EDU team. >>>>>>>> Participate now >>>>>>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/2s6r7pw44dqtuddw?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=pollbtn> >>>>>>>> What is Doodle? 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