On 1/25/2021 12:00 PM, Mike Cullen wrote:
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> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 5:31 PM Dennis Hamilton <orc...@msn.com> wrote:
> 
>> The TL;DR: Creating an external AOOAuthors GitHub project for deriving
>> documentation of current AOO releases is not difficult.  Many of us could
>> do that.   It just takes some minimal initial organization and agreement on
>> the contributor mechanism, working languages, etc.
>>
>> At some point soon, this discussion should move off of doc @ oo.a.o.  It
>> might be valuable to have some threads on the AOO Community Forum, <
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/>.  There also needs to be agreement on the
>> working language(s) of an AOOAuthors project.
>>
>> I am waiting for Keith to say what approach he wants to see.    Readers of
>> doc @ oo.a.o could also say what they would be willing to work on.  Then we
>> can act jointly.
>>
>> DETAILS
>>
>> The ASF restriction on CC licensed material has to do with ASF Project
>> source-code repositories.  There is an exception for GPL, CC-by, and other
>> licenses if reliance on such artifacts is optional and the artifacts are
>> fetched and included in the build process, never housed in an ASF Project
>> repo.  Note that this is about ASF Project governance.  The ASF has
>> principled project requirements beyond those of the Apache License itself.
>> (The preservation of OO.o documentation at <
>> https://www.openoffice.org/documentation/> Is a variant on this idea.)
>>
>> In the case of documentation projects and their repositories, the
>> exception is not workable.  However, using an off-project repository
>> employed outside of and *independent* of the AOO Project accomplishes the
>> same purpose.  The independence is important: there should be no
>> accountability of the project to the AOO PMC and especially in AOO reports
>> to the ASF Board beyond mentioning the existence of such a project.  Note
>> that this already happens with extensions and templates where user selects
>> them and they have varied licenses.
>>
>> The independent-(GitHub-)project avenue, if still being pursued for making
>> AOO user documentation, is equivalent to how OooAuthors was external to
>> OpenOffice.org and how Jean Weber's User Guide would be external and, in
>> this case, a personal project.
>>
>> As a fork of OooAuthors documents, an AOOAuthors project need not maintain
>> dual licensing of the derivative AOO 4.x documentation.  With appropriate
>> notification and attribution of the original OOO documentation the results
>> could be offered under CC-BY unported, for example.  That might be more
>> palatable for AOO contributors that also become AOOAuthors contributors.
>> Whatever the license choice(s), that has to be resolved immediately so that
>> contributors know what their license commitment must be.  And for the CC-BY
>> case, specific attribution requirements should be in the front manner of
>> the derived documents.
>>
>> There also needs to be enough AOOAuthors documentation of AOOAuthors so
>> that people can learn how to follow the effort and how to contribute to it.
>>
>>  - Dennis
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jean Weber <jeanwe...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 23:59
>> To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: New Doc Volunteer
>>
>> AOO does not allow CC licensed material. That's a major part of the
>> problem of reuse. However, the body of documentation is also licensed under
>> GPL, which is sort-of allowed, with restrictions.
>>
>> Jean
>>  [ ... ]
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